Doesn't help the Duke and UNC posters think they are above this

Of course this. ligastar is delusional if he thinks that the NCAA has been jonesing to drop the hammer on UNC basketball.

The best way to understand the NCAA is to think of it as similar to the NFL or the NBA. I mean similar in the sense that the overarching goal is to protect the financial enterprise. And for about 5 decades, the NCAA has decided that the best way to protect the financial enterprise is to (i) woefully understaff its enforcement wing; (ii) ignore abuses by marquee programs unless some external force (i.e., the news media) forces its hand; and (iii) periodically make examples out of non-marquee programs.

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Slow AF

valid point. landscape of cbb likely changed forever. that seems pretty certain.

It is crazy that Pitino won a championship for two different schools, and both schools are going to end up hating him.

As a UofL fan I can't see myself ever hating Pitino. It has been a rollercoaster of good and bad times, but it has been a hell of a fun ride. It is hard to measure how much he has done for our program, but I'd say it is still a huge net positive.

It looks like he is almost a lock to lose his job in 10 days, but I'm still hoping something changes in that time and he's able to keep it. I'm holding out hope that the FBI blows up an additional 20+ schools in the coming days and UofL decides to take a wait and see approach before deciding what to do with Rick. ONE TIME, dealer.

More players in football=less corruption for same reason that adding voting members to FIFA would make it less corrupt and democracies are less corrupt than dictatorships.

Guy connected to the SoCal AAU scene implying tomorrow(Thursday) is going to be a crazy day and maybe the best yet.
Apparently ****s going to hit the fan even more

I've been an Andy Enfield fan since GOAT COAST. Would be sad to see him taken down.

damn Dukies enjoy the fraudsketball while these little children had their school closed because of you

This is just ridiculous. Getting caught at something as stupid as taking exams for players just made them get more sophisticated. It put them at a huge disadvantage temporarily recruiting against the dirtiest program in America (Duke) and that forces them to get dirtier not cleaner, particularly because doing dirt is the only way they know how to do things.

Dude I applaud your fandom. We all are invested in our schools and their sports. Even when the coaches do stupid things, we back the program - not necessarily the idiot coach - trust me the program I follow has had its share of them. But when it comes down to it you can't be in Pitino's corner any more. You can only turn your back on his sleaziness so many times....

So you're so certain of Bagley's moral character that you're willing to say and 18 year old for sure knowingly violated the NCAA's rules and took a cash payment for his services?

I've said that I don't think Coach Cal (currently, not historically-as he is historically guilty of breaking the rules) or Roy are paying players either and I hate those two teams more than every other in college basketball combined.

The Ball's are relevant, especially Lonzo, because he set the tone as the first and was an elite recruit. Landing an elite recruit is not by any means a sign that you paid said recruit to come to your school. Plenty of kids are choosing schools for reasons outside of money.

This is what I am saying exactly. Also, an elite program getting a good recruit could be for many reasons outside of money, ESPECIALLY if the kid has a reason to go to the program (Ball growing up near UCLA, Ingram growing up in NC as a huge Duke fan, Bagley's dad being from Durham and loving the city, Shareef O'Neal not needing any amount of money that could reasonably be paid to him, Plumlees wanting to leave a legacy at the same school, countless UK kids liking that Cal specifically pitches 1 and done and doesn't care about the school aspect, etc.).

lol what? The NCAA has already done more than enough to prove that unc violated tons of rules and bring any punishment they want to them and they've avoided doing that because they don't want to punish a program with that visibility.

How is any unc recruit less likely to be paid than any Duke recruit? You admitted yourself that unc has had trouble recruiting because of this scandal. Trouble recruiting is MORE of reason to pay a recruit NOT LESS of a reason.

I'm not even saying they have been paying recruits, but it makes no sense that they wouldn't be paying because they're not able to get the elite recruits anymore as that is incentive to pay.

as an outsider this aligns with what I would expect. I don't know why Louisville fans would hate Pitino.

agreed

At the end of the day what Pitino did was broke rules that many people think are stupid anyways. Was it cheating, yes -- it was absolutely cheating. It was also immoral on the large scale (benefitting from cheating), but I don't really think many people find it immoral on the micro scale (the transaction where the kid makes money in exchange for playing basketball at Louisville). Pitino won them a title and they got to live that. That is important and can't be taken away even if the record is scrubbed. For that I would expect them to be thankful.

meh, it's already been said, by the NCAA no less, that there's no there there -- that it's an academic issue (i.e. the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction; SACS has jurisdiction and the isssue has been settled with them for a few years now). the 3rd COI (created under legally false pretenses and ignoring NCAA procedural bylaws) is being pushed/led by the SEC commish (who has stayed on the case even though NCAA bylaws forbid those with a conflict of interest being on a given case).

let's see where the chips fall. if the NCAA oversteps in this spot, UNC and its legal team (a true dream team as you might guess) has everything t'd up and ready to go (in regards to filing a case in federal court).

but enough rehashing this topic for the billionth time w/ a person w/ half facts and untruths (plus there is a thread for this, this is the fbi sting thread).

for now i'm going to fire up the Oregon game (will Meeks get to that missed FT again?) and take the edge off.

oh, and in b4 some yahoo posts this:

Has anyone even intimated that taking money is immoral?

But to reiterate - the hilarious thing here is how you think going to Duke is so important and such an honor to all humans that someone like Marvin Bagley would turn down $100k from Arizona and USC for the opportunity to move across the country to play for Duke for free.

Literally nobody loves Duke as much as you and other similar fucbois do

The NCAA is like 6 guys working out of a strip mall in Indianapolis. Of course it's super easy to sneak cheating by them. And it's in their best interest to not catch anyone so...

actually, it seems that people do. Look at the guys who are former Duke players and compare their connection to the program and how they speak about their time at Duke to the players from other programs.