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09-28-2017 , 02:18 PM

#301

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All I know is that the team I root for, Miami, is 100% innocent and everyone else is guilty. Especially Duke.

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09-28-2017 , 02:25 PM

#302

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Miami of Ohio

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09-28-2017 , 02:30 PM

#303

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damn you guys got bot vortexed HARD

like shame on you all have you never read 2p2

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09-28-2017 , 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rococo

You are assuming the players are the only ones who benefit financially from the corruption.

Let's take the example of what Chuck Person did. He accepted money in exchange for an agreement to steer his nephew in the direction of a financial advisor. The amount of money that Person was receiving as a bribe should have been a huge tipoff that the financial advisor had every intention of screwing the player financially. (Person didn't know that the financial advisor was cooperating with the government, but that's not particularly relevant to the question of whether Person was planning to screw over his nephew.)

That's real harm.

Personally, I think Person is getting screwed. From what I have read, he accepted money from a financial adviser to steer clients his way. He didn't force anyone to do anything. He was not in a position to exert undue influence over the players. I agree what he did was immoral, but, again, where does it rate on your outrage meter?

Goldman Sachs sold CDOs to pension funds at the same time it was betting against them, almost wrecking the entire global financial system. What punishment did they face?

Again, I think the government is picking some low-hanging fruit.

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09-28-2017 , 02:43 PM

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I think CDL just came over the thought of getting to defend the honor of both Coach K and Goldman Sachs in the same thread.

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09-28-2017 , 02:44 PM

#306

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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee

The only way to address the problem is to formally allow payers to be paid. The problem is the environment created by the NCAA, which clearly encourages corruption, and they're not the ones being investigated here. Taking down boosters and coaches accomplishes nothing.

It's going to be interesting to see how the payment system and trappings materializes. Will there be a salary floor? Salary cap? Minimum salary? Maximum salary? Holdouts? Player options? Guaranteed salaries for all sports (not football?)

Example: Lock NBA lotto pick signs one year deal ($2MM) with option for year 2 at same salary. NBA lotto pick has awful freshman year and drops out of lotto, exercises option and works on negotiating Year 3 option based on performance incentives soph year.

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09-28-2017 , 02:53 PM

#307

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Originally Posted by timhardawyhatesu

So the only thing making it a crime is the moronic NCAA rules?

as I understand it, but I am not a lawyer. If the NCAA allowed players to be paid I don't think any of this would be criminal unless I'm missing something.

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Originally Posted by jsb235

This may be true, but in terms of "fraud," this seems more like a speeding ticket than a capital offense. Also, it is a stretch to say taxpayer dollars fund athletic scholarships. I think every big football/bball program generates more revenue than it receives, so there is no damage to the taxpayer.

But that's the problem, right? It's a cesspool of ethical problems, and the laws regarding this are clearly imperfect.

I don't disagree about the scale. I think that legally the scholarship funds are separate from income the programs make.

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09-28-2017 , 02:56 PM

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For clarity, I'm against a rush to judgment against any school or player who there is no evidence of wrongdoing against. If they are doing something wrong then provide the evidence of specific players being paid or schools paying players and I will have no problem saying it happened at those specific institutions, including Duke.

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09-28-2017 , 03:03 PM

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Personally, I think Person is getting screwed. From what I have read, he accepted money from a financial adviser to steer clients his way. He didn't force anyone to do anything. He was not in a position to exert undue influence over the players. I agree what he did was immoral, but, again, where does it rate on your outrage meter?

Are you kidding me?

Let's me very clear about what happened. Person essentially told the financial advisor that, in exchange for cash, he would let the financial advisor screw his nephew. The nephew and his mother obviously were relying on Person for advice. Person bragged on tape about his influence.

It's by no means the worst conduct I can imagine, but it rates decently on my outrage meter.

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09-28-2017 , 03:06 PM

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sleazier coach: Pitino or Tressel?

Pitino imo, and it's not that close.

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09-28-2017 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wiper

sleazier coach: Pitino or Tressel?

Pitino by a mile.

Come to think of it

Pitino / Petrino / Jurich was the dream team of sleaze. Sad to see them break up.

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09-28-2017 , 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

Also, when you're one of the best prospects in a decade you would seemingly be LESS likely to take money given you are more certain to make it in future years and being in the right situation is worth a lot more than $100k as a slip in draft stock from #1 to #2 is worth multiples of that just in year 1 salary alone.

Pick 15 to pick 16 is actually where the year 1 gap becomes less than $100k so if you're actually an elite recruit you might be doing more harm than good in taking money to play for a worse program.

Its not really hard to believe that Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan State, Arizona, and maybe even UNC are worth more than $100k.

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09-28-2017 , 05:49 PM

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"trying" and "Adidas" are operative words here. If Adidas was doing it without involvement from Bill Self or his staff then that's not something Kansas should be held liable for. If Bill Self is telling Adidas to help him recruit guys to his school by paying them then that's a different story.

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09-28-2017 , 05:59 PM

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While it MIGHT be possible a top recruit would choose a top tier school over a second tier school offering cash, almost no top recruit is passing up money from a top tier school to go to a different top tier school.

So either all the top end schools are paying almost all their players or none of them are. (lol).

This goes for Duke and North Carolina for those itt dreaming otherwise.

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09-28-2017 , 06:05 PM

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Pitino by a mile.

Come to think of it

Pitino / Petrino / Jurich was the dream team of sleaze. Sad to see them break up.

What did Jurich do to make him sleazy?

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09-28-2017 , 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

What did Jurich do to make him sleazy?

Besides the obvious stuff?

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464932/a...-of-louisville

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09-28-2017 , 06:23 PM

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A guy on the radio was wondering how Adidas was able to sign off on the $100k and not only that, but get $100k in cash. They are a huge company and someone has to give the OK and get it legally or at least look legal in their books, it's not like one dude has 10 employees.

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09-28-2017 , 06:38 PM

#318

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Originally Posted by schu_22

I love all the people earnestly thinking their teams aren't doing super corrupt **** to succeed in the most corrupt sport in the US

Bless your hearts

Very similar to how ppl view cyclists and Olympics athletes with doping

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09-28-2017 , 07:06 PM

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Honestly, I was wondering the same thing. Large companies tend to have lots of controls and pretty attentive auditors. It's not like you can roll down to the petty cash window and get $100K in cash with no questions asked. My guess is that Adidas dummied up some sort of sponsorship.

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09-28-2017 , 07:06 PM

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It seems like it would be pretty easy for coaches to stay out of the pay-off business. It's not like the coach needs to identify the top recruits to the shoe companies. They could just follow the coach's recruiting trail, dropping off the money some time later. The coach gets his recruit, not even knowing the specifics of the bribes.

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09-28-2017 , 07:18 PM

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Adidas has an elite side hustle off the book **** division obvi

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09-28-2017 , 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox

lol Pitino

Didnt take long to prove this was an outright lie by Pitino.

Coach 2 has been identified as Rick Pitino

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...documents/amp/

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"Coach-2" is referenced nine times in the document -- including once when Christian Dawkins, a sports agent at the root of parts of this scandal that's touched at least eight programs so far, is quoted as saying he had "spoken with Coach-2 about getting additional money for Player-10's family," and that he'd told Coach-2 he needs "to call Jim Gatto, who's the head of everything" at Adidas.
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