why hasn't n.ood.le poasted itt in over a week? some 'true fan' he is

Texans sign Delhomme, should be interesting. I'm rooting for them from here on out, lets hope he GOATs it up after TJ Yates throws pick after pick.

Houston signs Jake Delhomme, local barn owners not concerned.

Fantastic work

Love the headline of the Yahoo article: "Jaguars fire Del Rio after 3-8 start, sell team"

Well this seasons in ****ter, just sell the whole ****ing lot!

FWIW!

TJ Yates raped all QB Prospect models:
Parcells Litmus test
26-27-60 Theory (Wonderlic-career wins-comp %)
3 ranked QB in the Lewin Career projection for 2011 NFL Draft QBs

Hope floats!

I don't think much of a couple of the high volume posters in this thread, so I don't really keep up with it.

I can assure you I have been showing up to all the home games and yelling creative insults at Caldwell, Painter and the rest of the deserving targets.

What did you think of Gabbert when you saw him?

He looked like the best QB on the field.

At least you haven't lost your sarcasm.

I honestly don't know what they will do with Gabbert. The whole new coach coming wants his own QB. And the way Gabbert has played this season...I can't imagine a new coach wanting to sit with him. Yeah he didn't have a true #1 receiver but Mike Thomas wasn't some scrubbo WR that drops a ton of passes...he could find a place on quite a few NFL rosters.

Marcedes Lewis isn't some horrendous TE, yeah he's been forced to block a ton but he has gotten so few targets. You come in with one of the best running backs the game has to offer. The OL, while not as good as say the Ravens, is still a respectable unit.

Its such a confusing situation. Gabbert was clearly not ready, he needed an offseason and a season before ever stepping on a field. But if he was soooo far away, a coach that was lame duck as it was needed to win games, why would he bench McCown for Gabbert? McCown has looked like he is at least capable of completing passes and sitting in the pocket. Gabbert has shown that he is incapable of doing either at the moment.

I have no idea what Jacksonville's future is in that city, but after my semi-lifetilt this afternoon over the potential of losing the football team, I figured I might as well not freak out until it becomes official. Mel Tucker actually has done a hell of a job this season with that defense, dare I say...Mike Smith like.

Defense desperately needs a pass rusher...its the one thing that is holding them back completely. Yes another corner is needed as well but if I had to put Jaguars needs:

1. QB(?)
2. DE
3. CB
4. LT
5. Safety

Monroe will probably end up being a RT in the NFL until someone can take his spot. He just can't handle the upfield rush. Which is baffling considering that was the one thing he was supposed to do. Maybe Nath had it right that the Jaguars just can't coach up the players..and if that is the case getting rid of JDR has another plus.

I will say this TNM, you were 100% right on the JDR thing a couple years ago when I was high on him. And I'm sure you shot down Gene at one point too that I shrugged off...which looks nightmarish that he could be at the helm for even longer.

That is such an odd extenstion...

While I haven't been too impressed with Gabbert in the limited action I have seen, it is crazy to talk about giving up on him after a half season of action.

I could imagine a situation that whoever is brought into Jacksonville does not like the situation at QB. PFT seems to believe that Jacksonville will get the no-name of no-name coaches. I don't believe that as there are only 32 of the jobs available and when one opens up anyone and everyone will put their name in for it that doesn't have one of the 32 already.

Jaguars could potentially end up with the 4-6th pick in the upcoming draft. They are 3-8 with games of vs SD, vs TB, @ATL, @Ten, vs Indy. Indy is likely the only game they will be favorites in(a TD favorite at that).

They could be staring at Barkley, RB3, Landry Jones, and Kellen Moore. New coach, likely new OC as I'd be surprised if Koetter was kept on, and a new owner. Unless Gene has last say(which is possible I guess), I could very much see a new QB at Jax next year.

Catching up on all the Jaguar stuff tonight as I was working today when the news broke. I hadn't heard this before...I knew the lease was strong but:

That is through 2027. 15 years. Considering the franchise would have been around by that point for 32 years, that could mean some good things for Jax.

Maybe that guy isn't completely full of **** when he said Jax is gonna have a superbowl title. $760 million for the franchise. NFL teams are worth so much. Its insane. What did the Dodgers sell for?

Edit: Gotta love the Yahoo title:

Jaguars essentially stuck in Jacksonville until ’27

did you really say Kellen Moore

Looking squarely at you PHB, way to **** up a good thread.

Also, since Noodle's 15k thread is a really cool idea and doesn't need to be muddied, KK getting the first reply and leading off with this:

is pretty solid.

Jeeze 760 million

What did dodgers sell for?

Hornets asking price ?

760 seems standard.

Good article on why it would be a bad idea to keep Manning and Luck. I'm kind of in the "Trade the pick"-boat now if it looks like Manning will be 100% healthy next season.

Totally standard. I recall seeing an article about NFL Owners net worth, and Jim Irsay's was a little over 1 billion with the caveat that almost all of his wealth was tied to his ownership of the Colts.

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Point by point:

He basically says it's too expensive.

He's right that it would be expensive to keep both, but with the new rookie scale, it isn't nearly as devastating (and completely prohibitive) as it once was. SuperCam got 4 years/$22mm Fully guaranteed. That's obviously a ton to pay a backup, but when you're talking about the potential next franchise QB, paying $5mil a year of a $120mm+ salary cap (which I think is due to be raised a decent amount in the near future) isn't crippling.

At the end says "If [Manning and Luck] are great, the team is no better off than if they had just kept Manning because only one can play at a time. Keeping both risks putting the team in a situation where they have to decide to resign Luck without knowing if he can really play. It seems like too big a risk to me."

The bolded is obviously false. In that case the Colts are most assuredly not "no better off" since they'd have the GOAT for a few years and the what they'd hope is GOATv2.0 for 15 more.

Meh, maybe, but Manning has done his bid for Owner and City and people need to realize that. He's brought Indy a Super Bowl title. He's elevated the team to the point we all took an additional 1-2% sales tax on the chin to pay for Lucas Oil.

If Peyton can still play, he's more than earned the right to go out on his feet, wearing blue or otherwise.

He basically says "If he's a gamble, trade the pick".

That's beyond dumb. Every pick is a gamble, that's the way the system works. That said, if the avg. #1 pick has a 10% chance to be elite and Luck has a 25% chance to be elite, you suck whatever dick is necessary to get Luck.

He says there's no way of knowing this and he's right imo. Manning may be so far above everyone else he'd struggle to relate the necessary information to Luck or anyone else. Painter isn't in the same world as Luck but he did have 2 years of prime "learn from the GOAT time" (obviously teaching Painter wasn't Manning's focus, but still) and he's just abysmal. Manning may just be a GOAT player and not a GOAT coach. Oh noez

He says there's no evidence and he's right again, but he's making the same short sighted mistake rsigsley made in talking about Manning's contract: You don't always get to defer decisions to a safer time. Sometimes you have to pay a price today in order to secure tomorrow. It would be great if Luck had been born 2 years later and Manning decided to retire the season before Luck's last college year. The Colts lose Manning, suck, draft Luck, everyone's happy.

Life's decisions are rarely so fortuitously timed. If you think Luck is a stud, you have to take him with the only chance you're going to have.

He concedes this point with the understanding that Luck will likely lose value. I disagree but he doesn't put up enough of a fight to be worth mentioning. Luck is Luck, until (and probably even after) people see him suck really badly, his name will carry trade weight.

Cliffs: The author mentions the best case scenario for the Colts at the end of his article: Peyton retires today. The Colts still hold his rights but they don't have to pay him, and Luck can come in and start from day 1 (with what we all hope is a new coaching staff, please god). That's probably not going to happen though. Regardless, what you do NOT do, is trade the #1 pick for anything less than a facemeltingly obscene package of picks (Rd. 1-4 picks for the next 4 years or something equally stupid). Take Luck, evaluate him in practice, and hope Manning can come back and give you a couple GOAT-ish years. If he can't, then let the Luck era begin.

Peyton update:

His neck has fused fully. He's been cleared to upgrade his workouts. He isn't yet at full contact, but this step is huge.

I mean they gotta trade the pick

Man, I'm clearly not the competitor Peyton Manning is, but at some point don't you just hang it up and be happy to have your health and a ring? Seems kinda ridiculous to be playing such a violent sport after fusing something in your neck/spine.

This perspective comes from a lack of understanding about the surgery. We already went over this in the other thread, but an ACDF doesn't leave the patient enfeebled or anything.

It replaces the soft tissue that separates the vertebrae in your neck with a piece of bone and then your body fuses those three pieces into one. Bone, for the record, is really ****ing strong.

In between 1978 and 2008, 53 players were treated for herniations in their cervical discs, 35 of those players were treated with either ACDF or another similar procedure (32 with ACDF, 3 with the other). Of those players treated surgically, the average playing time upon returning from injury was 29.3 games spread over 2.8 years.

Those players who opted to be treated non-surgically fared much worse. 54% never returned to play and those that did extended their careers by only 14.7 games over 1.5 years.

Peyton is not significantly more likely (now that his neck is fully fused) to suffer a career/life-altering injury than the person tackling him or catching his passes (unless that latter player is Austin Collie).

The Wade Kool-Aid tastes better htan ever.

I was mostly impressed with Yates today. Less worried about the Texans than I was before the game. Of course, the Andre Johnson injury could be its own problem.

Texans should try to draft, say, Michael Floyd this year. Andre can't stay healthy and they need another legit WR.