In the sense you are suggesting you have 14% roi in 6 max hypers.

I'm suggesting 14.4% actually. That 0.4% maybe represents another players' total ROI, so give it some respect lol.

Black and white stats man, dunno how you think I would alter them or why I would - considering you can verify on SC any time you like. I was just checking a few #s. My ROI in 18-man is only 20%, ouch. Overall ROI around 23%. I tell ya it used to be 40% before I went on the mother of all downswings.

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Dude, I'll help you out.

You have a respectable 7.9% in 6 max NL 08 hypers.

Of course if you combine all 08 SNG's with 6 or more players you do indeed have a whopping 14.4% but that's not what we are talking about here. (6 max hypers and apple-cake chat only please )

here he goes again....just ban him already..he's terrible for the forum.

HighTill: checked it out. There really aren't any O8 hypers except 6 max and heads up. Gotta believe it now.

I had a 40% ROI myself once. Now I'm about zero, even if I'm SURE I'm a winning player, you'll see!

But there is a difference. I'm at lol 1.4k games...Chips EV, and now also winnings EV, are my friends...


And also: your brags are more suitable for BBV than this forum. Maybe not even BBV. Hubris is the word usually used, take care.

Seems ur right Bob. A danger of late-night beer posting is clicking the wrong buttons. So the graph for just 6-max hyper looks a bit more like Juicy's. Oh the shame, and my hubris of 14% when it's only half that

Oh well, guess u had one more lesson to impart. You remember me saying one time in the PS client that I actually used you as one of my early benchmarks?



@ Billy - what's terrible for the forum is the usual vacuum of absolute nothingness. Oh and the perpetual gang-rape of anything that doesn't coalesce with the generally perceived wisdom.

I do as well, if not better (despite the occasional lapse) at hyper-turbos and SnGs generally than anybody posting here. That you choose to ignore and vilify everything I say illustrates the wonderfully ironic hubris of yourself and like-minded acolytes.

Probably, but since when have you known me to follow accepted protocol?

7.9% is very good not just acceptable at hypers, if you game selected and not play more than about 6 tables.

Most decent hyper players could do that. I am at about 7% for the year but this is where the issue is, I've only played about 3.2k.

Volume to assess someone's overall skill level is very hard and there are certain variables (as already noted) that make it almost impossible to ascertain.

Since when are you guys capable of displaying proper vocabulary? I must say, I'm impressed.

What is typical ROI? Say you have 5% in hypers would you have 10% in turbo's and 20% in regular SNG's or how would these numbers look?

I assume you mean typical for a winning player? Only interested in 6-max?

6-max hyper-turbo - 5% is good (top ranked players are generally 5% or less)

18-man turbo - 15% + would be a fair effort here, 6-max - 7.5-12.5%

Reg speed - looking for > 20%

The TYPICAL ROI across the field will obviously be 0% - rake.

Taking a leading player across several speeds and formats (bokkie87), his #s are approx:

6-max hyper - 5%, 18-man turbo - 20%, reg speed - N/A SnG.

Like the profits from hands like this. Stack going up by 20%

Poker Stars $1.40+$0.10 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds + t3 - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: t494 M = 8.23
CO: t425 M = 7.08
BTN: t1052 M = 17.53
SB: t514 M = 8.57
Hero (BB): t515 M = 8.58
Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 3 A K 9
1 fold, CO calls t30, BTN calls t30, SB calls t15, Hero raises to t512 all in, 3 folds
Final Pot: t135
Hero mucks 3 A K 9
Hero wins t135

Angribob, where did you lose your "run"? Maybe it's in the same place where my might be.

Woop just made the 200 bi below ev mile stone. Filtered just heads up.

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Wish I knew buddy. I'm $1500 below EV this month. It's not been fun.

So if most players seem to be -EV, who is holding all the + EV? Bokkie and beeethoven surely can't have it all?

Looks I should jump out of joy being only 20BI below ev

Have been above ev about 85% of the time at my main stake $1.50, so those people have existed

You forgot about johniewalker, who always shoves any four from late positions no matter of blinds and his stack

His shove button is as overused as your call button. I haven't looked at stats but I guess he probably wins a lot more at hypers than you.

Haha yep, Johnniewalker is a black-label luckbox, just like his mates lukro8 and HunMatt. All good players but a bit like yourself, Ziem, they run a little too hot for my liking.

Oh and I'm pretty sure that wadzon and juicy_j are to blame for his behaviour. If you sit all day with those 2 and don't shove and call like a maniac, they will eat you alive.

Doing some data-mining and I'm actually nearly bang on 10% for 6-max hyper at my normal stakes:



Now that Juicy_J is tearing up the 18-man turbos, I'm gonna steal his action in the 6-max donk-fest.

If I can make lots of mistakes, play weak, tilt, have bad running periods and still make 9% in reg-only games, it's most def possible to break 15% ROI in 6-max hyper.

So from cherry picking data from a small sample and manufacturing a 10% ROI you conclude that 15% ROI is possible?

You have played 3,000 games relevant for this thread. Want to provide money ev, and chips + chips ev? Then we could help you a bit more to sort this out.

True, 10K+ games is a proper sample, not 3K. And yea the data is mined but not cherry-picked.

Still, I think you guys need to increase your expectations. I'm far from happy with my stats. If I hadn't made any mistakes or had any tilting sessions, 15% would have been within reach. A truly great player would be 15-20% IMHO.