As a Jew, I'm very angry that a Jew is involved in this ****. Makes us look bad and incites antisemitism.

I treat bigotry/racism different from clothing choices and over consumption of alcohol.

I just did some googling and couldn't find anything I think it was on David Letterman or some other talk show. Basically he said he'd never pick on the powerless in his acts. It's just not funny.

Here's a pretty good passage that captures the idea pretty well
https://i2heart2this.wordpress.com/2...george-carlin/

Could you point out who ITT this is directed at? Like I'm not sure who's been arguing that the people in Texas actually weren't allowed to do what they did, would appreciate your clarification.

Semi-grunching, but in the thread about the Paris attacks there was definitely a group headed by Dvaut who focused on how what the cartoonists did was supposedly morally and ethically wrong, so it would not surprise me in the least that there is something similar going on here.

Won't budge?

But, again, I think it's weird that people who support freedom of speech keep defending people like Geller who would love to take it away.

Well actually I think the argument was it's not logical to support a bunch of *******s just because there is a bunch of far bigger *******s around.

Also its reasonable to point out that this art show and the scumbag murderers both were motivated by hatred of 'the other team' rather than any particular noble goal. Obviously now and forever they way one side chose to exercise their hate is far far far worse.

They might start devastating, pointless wars in countries with different religions from them.

Well I'll bite: we could focus on how wrong it is to shoot up a museum, but I'm quite sure everyone here is in lockstep agreement on that point. Politics threads where everyone agrees usually don't generate much interest (we're not going to spend 100 posts telling each other "killing people is wrong"), so the finer bones of contention tend to get magnified. Granted, the optics of this aren't great, but I'm assuming no one reading any of this is unaware of how this forum works.

The Dvaut/suzzer point is that hosting a cartoon contest designed to offend a minority group is still kind of a dick move, and the indefensible violence that followed doesn't validate or elevate their lowbrow trolling into anything higher. I'm not sure how many people who are familiar with Pam Gellar's work with the Ground Zero Mosque brouhaha would feel super comfy rushing out to buy a "Je Suis Gellar" shirt.

"ethically and morally" wrong is probably laying it on way too thick. I'ma put it this way: if some enraged gay guy were to go out and shoot Fred Phelps, that wouldn't change the fact that the Westboro Baptist Church guys are total dicks and it doesn't elevate their "God hates ***s" trolling routine into a stirring testament to free speech.

I consider some of Hebdo's satire morally wrong as I find that this art contest in Texas. This doesn't preclude me thinking that the shooters in both cases worse. Just because I disagree with the response I am not obliged to defend the cartoonists or contest organiser's actions.

I think it's weird that you think that's weird. I mean, obviously people like Wilders and Geller suck. That's not news. The news is terrorists trying to use violence to silence them, which is a terrible crime.

What percentage of them would approve of killing in this spot if there were no legal repercussions? This is as least as important a question as how many would actually do it.

I don't know. How many Mormons would kill Trey Parker if there were no legal repercussions?

Wait, I thought an armed society was a polite society. I keep reading that from American 2a supporters on other forums. Seems to me the policies are working together as intended when someone gets shot in America for offending them.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack, although it is unclear if they planned the attack or merely inspired it:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/19517...cartoon-attack

If you think the industrial military complex of America was bad enough, wait until you get someone that believes in pink elephants to take control of it.

Mormons didn't protest the show. Many bought tickets, enjoyed it, and the LDS evens supported it financially by buying up ad space.

Also, again, this once again shows that people just don't understand what satire is.

How is it news to you that acting like an adult includes not being a douchebag to people?

So you think Geller & co should take some blame for being attacked?

Are you claiming rape victims intend to attract rapists? That is disgusting.

You clearly haven't seen the hate crime stats since 9 11

I'm sorry, when was the last time you stood up to Flywf and his adult like behaviour of being worse than a douchebag to posters you don't like?

Ridiculing people that are wrong is something twoplustwo embraces with a passion. If being an adult means not being a douchebag, I haven't seen many adults on twoplustwo.

No...I blamed them for being bigots before the attack and I still do. I never have a problem with women's choice of attire, regardless of whether they get raped or not.

No

Are you claiming Geller and co held this event to purposely incite a terrorist attack?

Everyone is a douchebag on the internet.