You realize that you geniuses are comparing rape victims to bigots? Stay classy.

I don't think there is any constructive dialogue to be had.

No I get their point and I agreed with in the Hebdo case.

To me it all comes down to intent and the messenger. It's like Carlin talks about how it's funny for the minority to pick on the majority, not the other way around. The intent and messengers in this case are rotten to the core and have one singular agenda. Hebdo offended everyone.

This is why I save my ire for the ****nuts that put on this drawing contest. I would support a satirical website like the Onion to the hilt if they decided to publish a picture of Muhammed.

Then what is the point?

People are allowed to say offensive, terrible stuff in America. That's how we roll, it is called free speech. Which liberals care about until they don't like what's being said. Handwaving away terrorism because the victims said stuff the terrorists didn't like is absolutely ****ing absurd.

Obviously if you think all Muslims are evil and out to kill everyone. That's the kind of belief the Kellers and Geerts of the world want to spread, and it's a stupid belief that makes the world worse.

It's just as fair to criticize that belief as to criticize the belief that cartoonists should be killed.

Well then I am still alllowed to call Pam Geller an *******.

I don't know what the intent of the organizers was and it doesn't matter.

Bull**** you don't know. Were you just born into this world?

Keep putting words in my mouth.

It has been 14 years since 9/11. There has not been any rash of nutjob conservative white people going out and killing muslims for the sake of killing muslims.

A very good people we are.

There happens to be an overabundance of radical nutjobs in the faith of Islam. We can not censor ourselves to the point where we can't be honest about the situation because they might not like hearing it and will go kill a ton of people in the name of allah.

Nobody is hand-waving away the terrorism. Read.

I don't know what you really believe, but "no constructive dialogue" sounds pretty extreme.

Yes we do!

Am I to guess you think this is a bad thing?

I suppose if they hit us hard again it will be because of our drone strikes and not because they want to rule the world in the name of their faith.

"Yeah its bad but what did those people expect" = hand-waving.

I deleted that because I realized I was responding to a guy with an Obamao avi. Guess I didn't delete it fast enough. Sry.

We're not budging on the freedom of speech (I hope) and Muslims won't budge on the prohibition on depictions of their prophet. What do you think can be achieved through dialogue?

Not really. There hasn't been constructive dialogue between christian fundamentalists in America since forever. western societies just started phasing them out and making them more and more irrelevant.

Has there been constructive dialogue with crazies that don't want women to be allowed to use birth control or gays to be married?

http://www.gospelherald.com/articles...y-marriage.htm

If we don't have a chance talking to these guys, what chance do we have with Islamists?

Lololol yeah I'm terribly frightened by a minority group that makes up one percent of the population and has no political, economic, or social power in this country. Let's also be clear, this attack wasn't the work of Muslims; they are nothing more than a very tiny handful of lunatics who will occasionally go on rampages over stupid ****. These specific lunatics just happen to have a widely known, and very strange, trigger. Lunatics gonna lunatic, their reasoning is neither special nor remotely interesting.

What is troubling is that we have a large, vocal, and very vile group of individuals who regularly try to stamp out any semblance of the Muslim faith in this country. They don't get to publicly talk about banning the Koran, or organize massive campaigns against building mosques, and then hide behind the first amendment when they do, yet again, something vile in public.

Lunatics are an extremely fringe group who, while disgusting, really don't affect many people in the USA (single digits per year I think, vs say 30k for guns in general) The bastards who regularly organize this ****, and those who support it, further marganalize millions of already essentially powerless people. But go right ahead, prove you are brave enough to stand up to 1% of the population, you show them what a real man you are.

Thank Allah they're powerless.

Can't imagine what a group of individuals that believe in pink elephants would do in America with power.

You already have a hard enough time fighting tooth and nail with Christian right wing republicans that try their very hardest to **** things up for everyone.

The U.S. and whoever we get to go along w/ us is soaked in blood.

If Israel had killed as many civilians in one strike as is claimed the U.S. has

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...led-air-strike

the world would be upset. This was passing news.

Really?

So what would have happened if someone showed up at the contest and drew Jewish people dodging ovens dropping from the sky?

How would have that bigot Pam Gellar dealt with that? Tried to have them arrested for hate speech most likely?

I think this is the last "which thing should we be focused on" debate I'm gonna get into. It's pretty fruitless. Islam sucks and Pam Geller sucks. Goodnight and good luck.

I wouldn't have a problem with someone getting punched because of the cartoons.

That's not to say no free speech. The State should be obliged to protect speech and someone punching one of these aholes should be prosecuted.

No sympathy for the would be killers though. And if these guys were Jihadists looking for the best spot to kill people, the event doesn't count as a provocation at all.

As far as the ahole Texans go, it sucks that they are aholes and it's sad, but true, that they are recruiting for hate on both sides.

Do you happen to have a link for that? Would love to explain that to some people but can't find the right words.