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05-03-2015 , 10:15 PM

#26

will1530

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I'm just gonna grab some popcorn and watch the show. Who am I to stop the crazies from provoking one another?

05-03-2015 , 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

What is the point other than the cause problems and give a nice recruiting boost to ISIS?

Do you argue with crazy people on the street just to exercise your right to free speech?

there are numerous examples of "provocative" displays done in regards to religion, piss christ comes to mind

that is the beauty of a free society: you are allowed to express yourself and your opinions if you abide by the law, even if those opinions are anathema to someone else

and yet, it is only with the Muslim cartoons/things critical of Muslims that people seem to get shot (or beheaded as was the case in the Netherlands). So how about you focus on the people doing the shooting and beheading rather than people exercising a constitutionally-protected activity? are you so blinded by politics and not wanting to insult a group of people that you can look past wanton acts of terrorism? it would seem so.

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

The people exercising free speech want to ban the Koran.

yeah, so?

that is their opinion.

05-03-2015 , 10:17 PM

#28

ALLTheCookies

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The organizers got what they deserved/were asking for. That seems to be a popularly accepted sentiment these days.

05-03-2015 , 10:18 PM

#29

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

The people exercising free speech want to ban the Koran. So there goes that argument.

How does that negate the argument? Shouldn't they be free to to speak in protest of the free speech of muslims?

05-03-2015 , 10:21 PM

#30

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

The organizers got what they deserved/were asking for. That seems to be a popular accepted sentiment recently.

The security guard got what he was asking for?

What if there was a bomb and someone was driving by?

The non-cartoonists who were held hostage in Paris, they got what they deserve?

This argument does not make sense. Please re-read your posts and ask yourself if what you are typing is idiotic or not. I think you'll find yourself making a lot fewer posts.

05-03-2015 , 10:25 PM

#31

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They intended to provoke and they got what they were asking for. Sorry the cop was a causality in their provocation.

05-03-2015 , 10:26 PM

#32

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This is thought to be one of the shooters: https://twitter.com/atawaakul

05-03-2015 , 10:27 PM

#33

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Originally Posted by domer2

Your posting history alone is enough to earn the gulag. You Republicans don't understand a thing about prog sickness.

05-03-2015 , 10:27 PM

#34

will1530

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Well if you want to go kick a tiger in the balls, and you've got every right to do it, don't expect too much sympathy when you get your face torn off.

05-03-2015 , 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by will1530

Well if you want to go kick a tiger in the balls, and you've got every right to do it, don't expect too much sympathy when you get your face torn off.

are you comparing Muslims to an animal?

05-03-2015 , 10:30 PM

#36

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Originally Posted by will1530

Well if you want to go kick a tiger in the balls, and you've got every right to do it, don't expect too much sympathy when you get your face torn off.

That's why it's good to keep tigers out of your living room.

05-03-2015 , 10:31 PM

#37

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Don't you think the provocation makes a good point that Islam contains a disproportionate amount of people prone to commit violence compared to other religious groups? Is there not value in learning the degree to which this is true?

05-03-2015 , 10:36 PM

#38

Tien

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Religion of peace they said.

05-03-2015 , 10:36 PM

#39

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Originally Posted by Renton555

Yeah, yeah, I get it. It doesn't mean the best approach is the nastiest provocation that can be thought of.

05-03-2015 , 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by domer2

Are you unaware of the protests, death threats and vandalism that resulted from Piss Christ? The piece was destroyed by angry Christians, along with other works by the artist.

05-03-2015 , 10:40 PM

#41

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Michael Brown and Freddie Gray intended to provoke and they got what they were asking for. Sorry Ferguson and Baltimore were causalities in their provocation.

BOOOOOOOM!

05-03-2015 , 10:40 PM

#42

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Yeah, yeah, I get it. It doesn't mean the best approach is the nastiest provocation that can be thought of.

Is making a 5 year old quality crayon image of the prophet really the nastiest possible affront that could be conceived of?

05-03-2015 , 10:43 PM

#43

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Originally Posted by domer2

are you comparing Muslims to an animal?

Muslims, no. That tiny tiny subset of lunatics that happen to also identify as part of the 1% minority group that is the Muslim population in the United States, yes. We are already fully aware that there are a few devoted crazies who are more than willing to kill you for ****ting of their prophet. Those crazies are probably best avoided. Or your buddies at Brietbart can keep kicking the tiger in the balls, and again, I'll have my popcorn ready.

05-03-2015 , 10:43 PM

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Are you unaware of the protests, death threats and vandalism that resulted from Piss Christ? The piece was destroyed by angry Christians, along with other works by the artist.

Well protests are legal last time I checked.

And it seems like a far cry from death threats/vandalism to murdering/beheading/blowing up people. These are on equal footing in your mind, or....why are you bringing this up?

05-03-2015 , 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

They intended to provoke and they got what they were asking for. Sorry the cop was a causality in their provocation.

When protestors looking to provoke get gunned down I'm glad I can be assured of which side you are on. The side that guns down the innocents right?

05-03-2015 , 10:55 PM

#46

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"They only threatened to kill the guy, and then they did a whole bunch of malicious vandalism and destroyed artwork." doesn't seem like a very compelling argument to me. I mean, kudos for not actually being murderers, I guess. That's still setting the bar pretty damn low.

05-03-2015 , 10:59 PM

#47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tien

When protestors looking to provoke get gunned down I'm glad I can be assured of which side you are on. The side that guns down the innocents right?

I thought it was clear I was being sarcastic given my post right before this one. My apologies.

05-03-2015 , 11:00 PM

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For the "why don't you love free speech" crowd:

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April 26, 2015

In March it was announced that the PEN Literary Gala, to be held May 5th 2015, would honor the magazine Charlie Hebdo with the PEN/Toni and James C. Goodale Freedom of Expression Courage Award in response to the January 7 attacks that claimed the lives of many members of its editorial staff.

It is clear and inarguable that the murder of a dozen people in the Charlie Hebdo offices is sickening and tragic. What is neither clear nor inarguable is the decision to confer an award for courageous freedom of expression on Charlie Hebdo, or what criteria, exactly were used to make that decision.

We do not believe in censoring expression. An expression of views, however disagreeable, is certainly not to be answered by violence or murder.

However, there is a critical difference between staunchly supporting expression that violates the acceptable, and enthusiastically rewarding such expression.

In the aftermath of the attacks, Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons were characterized as satire and “equal opportunity offense,” and the magazine seems to be entirely sincere in its anarchic expressions of principled disdain toward organized religion. But in an unequal society, equal opportunity offence does not have an equal effect.

Power and prestige are elements that must be recognized in considering almost any form of discourse, including satire. The inequities between the person holding the pen and the subject fixed on paper by that pen cannot, and must not, be ignored.

To the section of the French population that is already marginalized, embattled, and victimized, a population that is shaped by the legacy of France’s various colonial enterprises, and that contains a large percentage of devout Muslims, Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons of the Prophet must be seen as being intended to cause further humiliation and suffering.

Our concern is that, by bestowing the Toni and James C. Goodale Freedom of Expression Courage Award on Charlie Hebdo, PEN is not simply conveying support for freedom of expression, but also valorizing selectively offensive material: material that intensifies the anti-Islamic, anti-Maghreb, anti-Arab sentiments already prevalent in the Western world.

In our view, PEN America could have chosen to confer its PEN/Toni and James C. Goodale Freedom of Expression Courage Award upon any of a number of journalists and whistleblowers who have risked, and sometimes lost, their freedom (and even their lives) in service of the greater good.

PEN is an essential organization in the global battle for freedom of expression. It is therefore particularly disheartening to see that PEN America has chosen to honor the work and mission of Charlie Hebdo above those who not only exemplify the principles of free expression, but whose courage, even when provocative or discomfiting, has also been fastidiously exercised for the good of humanity.

We the undersigned, as writers, thinkers, and members of PEN, therefore respectfully wish to disassociate ourselves from PEN America’s decision to give the 2015 Toni and James C. Goodale Freedom of Expression Courage Award to Charlie Hebdo.

Signed by 204 members of PEN.

Cliffs: exercising free speech doesn't mean you aren't a dick.

05-03-2015 , 11:01 PM

#49

Howard Beale

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton555

Is making a 5 year old quality crayon image of the prophet really the nastiest possible affront that could be conceived of?

No, but haven't you noticed that Muslims have made it perfectly clear that they consider anti Mohammed cartoons to be very provocative?

Look, these organizers aren't principled free speechers in my view. I think they wanted to spit on Islam, they did, this is going to play out like some alternate Universe 'evil Onion' type story.