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05-18-2012 , 04:19 PM

#326

will1530

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo

Just saw this today:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...ght-to-record/

Well, the Justice Department is bound find it's way to the right side of something. I mean, a circuit court has already made this ruling, but at least Justice got there in the end.

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05-18-2012 , 04:30 PM

#327

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by will1530

Well, the Justice Department is bound find it's way to the right side of something.

I guess Justice is willing to take a flier on being right this one time since it doesn't affect federal employees all that much. In other DOJ news today:

Quote:

Before a panel of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, a Department of Justice lawyer argued that New York Times reporter James Risen should be forced to testify in the trial of former CIA agent Jeffrey Sterling, who is charged with leaking classified information to Risen about a botched plot against the Iranian government.

Rather than arguing the specifics of the case, DOJ appellate lawyer Robert A. Parker asserted that there is no reporter's privilege when a journalist receives an illegal leak of national security secrets.

When Judge Robert Gregory asked Parker to explain why the public's interest in a free press was outweighed by the specific circumstances in this case, Parker declined.

"I don’t think there would be a balancing test because there's no privilege in the first place," Parker said. "The salient point is that Risen is the only eyewitness to this crime."

Gregory told Parker that the Supreme Court's Branzburg v. Hayes decision -- which Parker cited as precedent for forcing journalists to testify when they had witnessed a crime -- involved the witnessing of a different crime, "not the disclosure itself."

Parker said what Risen did was "analogous" to a journalist receiving drugs from a confidential source, and then refusing to testify about it.

"You think so?" Gregory asked, clearly unconvinced.

From here

...and from that same link, a good reminder of where the government's priorities lie:

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The Obama administration has charged six different people with violations of the Espionage Act, a World War I-era law intended to prohibit aiding the enemy. That’s more uses of Espionage Act than under all previous presidential administrations combined.

While the Obama administration hasn't prosecuted those responsible for torture during the Bush years, it is taking a strong stand against a former official believed to have supplied information to the media about use of torture and other controversial tactics during the previous administration.

05-18-2012 , 04:45 PM

#328

Brons

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Obama is pretty despicable when it comes to this stuff. He's Bush III.

Too bad the other party is the same or worse. WAAF I guess.

05-18-2012 , 08:31 PM

#329

Ineedaride2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brons

Obama is pretty despicable when it comes to this stuff. He's Bush III.

Too bad the other party is the same or worse. WAAF I guess.

05-19-2012 , 06:34 AM

#330

Brons

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1529144.html

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National Review writer Katrina Trinko ended up with egg on her face Friday evening after accusing Democratic senate candidate Elizabeth Warren of plagiarism -- a charge that was quickly debunked.

Trinko published an item early Friday evening bearing the accusatory title, "Plagiarism In Elizabeth Warren's 2006 Book."

[...]

In fact, while "All Your Worth's" paperback version was released in 2006, the original hardcover edition first appeared in bookstores in March 2005. Black's book was released sometime later that year. Trinko quickly issued a correction and apology -- noting her confusion over the dates -- and removed the original article from the Review's website.

"I can see how they got this wrong," Pareene went on to tell the New York Observer's Hunter Walker, "but honestly, five more minutes of Googling it would have disproven it before they even published it."

The National Review is doing a great job at discrediting themselves lately.

05-19-2012 , 10:59 AM

#331

Hamish McBagpipe

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Louisiana is the world's prison capital.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...ds_prison.html

"If the inmate count dips, sheriffs bleed money. Their constituents lose jobs. The prison lobby ensures this does not happen by thwarting nearly every reform that could result in fewer people behind bars.

Meanwhile, inmates subsist in bare-bones conditions with few programs to give them a better shot at becoming productive citizens. Each inmate is worth $24.39 a day in state money, and sheriffs trade them like horses, unloading a few extras on a colleague who has openings. A prison system that leased its convicts as plantation labor in the 1800s has come full circle and is again a nexus for profit.

In the past two decades, Louisiana's prison population has doubled, costing taxpayers billions while New Orleans continues to lead the nation in homicides."

05-19-2012 , 12:07 PM

#332

EricLindros

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/co...propaganda-ban

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An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill, BuzzFeed has learned.

The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee's official website.

The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns.

05-19-2012 , 12:16 PM

#333

ikestoys

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Lol like propaganda is illegal

05-19-2012 , 01:02 PM

#334

FlyWf

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What sort of misinformation have they not been using on us? WMDs in Iraq, Jessica Lynch's gangrape, the way every drone somehow magically only kills militants, that various non-American countries were the ones blowing up random people... The official government story on more or less every part of the war on terror for the past decade has been misinformation. If this is them being honest are we gonna start hearing about how Barack Obama gets a hole in one twice a day and Joe Biden invented the helicopter?

05-19-2012 , 01:28 PM

#335

suzzer99

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They're probably just trying to officially legalize all the stuff they already do - to make the lawyers happy.

05-19-2012 , 03:03 PM

#336

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

government sure is awesome!

05-19-2012 , 03:50 PM

#337

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Don't worry, Obama will put a stop to this stuff as soon as he gets into office.

05-19-2012 , 04:16 PM

#338

Mayo

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I'm reading about David Souter. Wikipedia tells me that NOW and the NAACP put together a full court press to keep him from being confirmed. The president of NOW said he would "end freedom for women in this country."

This is especially ironic since the other candidate for the seat was one Clarence Thomas.

05-19-2012 , 04:21 PM

#339

zikzak

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I'll ask this here since I don't want to troll/derail the gun owner's thread.

Why is it a violation of Libertarian principles to have the federal government override state government restrictions of some civil liberties, but it is perfectly acceptable to petition the federal judiciary to have state and local gun control laws overturned?

05-19-2012 , 04:49 PM

#340

Brons

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Guns are awesome. Gays are icky.

05-19-2012 , 05:39 PM

#341

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

I'm not sure what you mean here. Most libertarians have a problem with the federal government coming in and setting up rules of association for private organizations and people... which is what I think you're talking about.

05-19-2012 , 06:00 PM

#342

FlyWf

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Just as an aside, the Trayvon Martin case has blown past "the motives of the Confederacy" and "the existence of Black History Month" to become probably the single most potent racism detector currently on the market. They literally cannot help themselves.

05-19-2012 , 06:03 PM

#343

hotdogfallacy

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lol

05-19-2012 , 06:14 PM

#344

FlyWf

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Y'all are always asking me what is or isn't racist like I'm some kinda expert. This is a "teach a man to fish" situation, I'm hoping that in the future you boys can just sort this **** out without my help.

05-19-2012 , 06:15 PM

#345

ikestoys

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Hate to burst your bubble Fly, when someone asks you if it's racist they probably aren't asking you as if you're an expert. It's much more likely they're mocking you.