The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. - Page 1198 - Politics and Economics

If anyone's curious the beer for the bill passing didn't happen. A reporter did spot a service cart that had beer at the capitol but the person delivering it said it wasn't for any event.

Too bad. It was starting to become a good meme for Thursday's lynching.

05-06-2017 , 11:03 AM

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einbert

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The thing is money is great and all, but we need to register millions of voters. That's where 2018 is going to be won or lost. Get people into the voting system that haven't been participating.

05-06-2017 , 11:14 AM

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dinopoker

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Paul can't resist a tax cut. The guy is a crook. Probably has already calculated it.

Cruz does whatever gets him the most press. McCain will die soon, got reelected, maybe he will be a surprise no out of hate for FC and Trump.

FYP

05-06-2017 , 11:31 AM

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Hired Goons2

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

Usually the right wing crowd responds to the success of UHC in places like Canada, France, and the UK with "But they have rationing," which is of course total nonsense but still doesn't sway them.

Of course finding a right wing position that isn't total nonsense is pretty much impossible, so that's a factor.

The right wing position that isn't total nonsense is Obamacare.

05-06-2017 , 11:51 AM

#29930

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Originally Posted by Hired Goons2

The right wing position that isn't total nonsense is Obamacare.

It's like it was the Republicans' idea or something.

05-06-2017 , 11:58 AM

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ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by LimpDitka

America just wasnt ready for a female president.

Apparently we were so not ready that we cleverly fine tuned what state we all live in so Hillary could win the popular vote and lose the electoral college.

05-06-2017 , 12:11 PM

#29932

+rep_lol

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

Way too much sentence-level coherence to be either of those guys.

they were before my time in P so idk, but i am curious

05-06-2017 , 12:34 PM

#29933

Paul McSwizzle

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Originally Posted by Riverman

People still actually believe this ****?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

It's incredible.

I mean, be as cynical as you want, Republicans will suffer for this vote. I'm not saying people are going to read the legislation and vote accordingly; I'm saying Dems are going to hammer them on taking away Medicaid and voting for legislation that is very unpopular. They voted to repeal legislation that is much more popular than the president they are trying to appease. There will be consequences.

05-06-2017 , 12:35 PM

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Democrats need to find a way to promote liberal values and issues but do it in a way that also appeals to people's emotions and baser instincts.

Here's an article that Chris Hayes wrote about the 2004 election, but I don't think a single thing has changed since then about the typical voter: https://chrishayes.org/articles/decision-makers/

05-06-2017 , 12:47 PM

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Lestat

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Originally Posted by microbet

Show your work.

http://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Yeah, she talks the talk. I'll give her that. But when she had the opportunity to put her money where her mouth was and had the chance to back a TRUE progressive like Sanders (who btw, would actually implement the action needed to take on the big banks and corporate greed she so often talks about), she chickened out and went with the political status quo and backed the annointed DNC candidate HRC.

So I hold a grudge on that.

Also, I'm not a political junkie so excuse me if this is wrong, but I believe she voted to confirm Ben Carson. Ben Carson!

05-06-2017 , 12:52 PM

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Lestat

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Originally Posted by stinkubus

She's not in bed with Wall St., Microbet. That's all there is to it.

Then why did she do everything in her power to suppress Sanders and back HRC? Sanders was the clear choice for progressives and anti corporate/executive greed. HRC? Not so much.

05-06-2017 , 12:53 PM

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AllTheCheese

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You are wrong. Warren wisely endorsed no one until the primaries were done, at which point she endorsed HRC, because of course that's what every right minded person should do when the alternative is Donald Trump.

05-06-2017 , 12:57 PM

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AllTheCheese

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A quick Google search of course shows you are also wrong about Warren confirming Ben Carson.

05-06-2017 , 01:02 PM

#29939

Paul McSwizzle

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Originally Posted by Lestat

Then why did she do everything in her power to suppress Sanders and back HRC? Sanders was the clear choice for progressives and anti corporate/executive greed. HRC? Not so much.

She didn't even formally endorse HRC in the primary and she said that the economy was rigged at the Dem Convention. You're talking out of your ass.

05-06-2017 , 01:03 PM

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Lestat

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

IMO, one reason right wingers like Dan and Lestat are comfortable praising Sanders compared to her is that there is no chance he ever runs for President again, if he was 10 years younger they'd see him as a threat.

I'll take a 79 year old Sanders over a 70 year old Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Btw- I do believe that Warren is a progressive. The problem is that she only throws punches at the GOP and not at corrupt members of her own party. In other words, she falls in line. Sanders had the guts to stand up for what's right regardless of who's party he alienated. THAT'S a true progressive!

05-06-2017 , 01:06 PM

#29941

Lestat

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

A quick Google search of course shows you are also wrong about Warren confirming Ben Carson.

I guess this: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-carson-234185

Is wrong or outdated (and she later voted no)? Again, I'm not a political junkie and don't follow the play by play of politics like a sports team. But I remember reading the above article. Did I misunderstand it?

05-06-2017 , 01:10 PM

#29942

Loki

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...on-vote-235608

05-06-2017 , 01:16 PM

#29943

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by Lestat

I assumed this was all faux-progressive concern trolling, but this this is so dumb that it could have been written by a real leftist. Quick, how do you feel about Jill Stein?

05-06-2017 , 01:19 PM

#29944

th14

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https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/860728032125870080

05-06-2017 , 01:21 PM

#29945

einbert

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Yeah but Bill Maher has doubled down on Islamophobia and transphobia in the wake of Trump's election. **** him, that's not the set of ideas we need representing the progressive movement.

Edit: Of course he's totally right that people should've voted for Hillary.

05-06-2017 , 01:23 PM

#29946

11t

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I def dislike the Trans jokes maher has made but he's pretty much dead on about religion and he doesn't play favorites.

05-06-2017 , 01:28 PM

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He's not dead on about religion. He paints Islam as a violent cult, and the truth is 99.9% of people practicing Islam are totally peaceful, hard-working, loving people.

05-06-2017 , 01:32 PM

#29948

Lestat

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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle

She didn't even formally endorse HRC in the primary and she said that the economy was rigged at the Dem Convention. You're talking out of your ass.

Puleeze! The only reason she (and Obama) waited was to avoid the ire of Sanders' supporters and splitting the party. If you don't think there was a behind the scenes push for HRC then I don't know what to tell ya except don't respond to emails from people needing money to access their inherited fortune.

05-06-2017 , 01:33 PM

#29949

RV Life

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People keep bringing up Sanders should have won the primary. But he was never winning. Like ever. And I say that as someone that likes Sanders and would have preferred him over Clinton.

Socialism is a very scary word in the US. Instead of Trump screaming "E-Mails!" he would have been screaming "Socialist!" It would have had the same affect.

Facts do not matter to low information voters. Emotions matter.

05-06-2017 , 01:43 PM

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Lestat

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Originally Posted by einbert

He's not dead on about religion. He paints Islam as a violent cult, and the truth is 99.9% of people practicing Islam are totally peaceful, hard-working, loving people.

He paints many Islamic ideas as violent and cult-like, which like many other religions (including many rooted in Xianity), they are. There is a difference between Muslims (people) and Islam (an ideological belief system). There is nothing wrong with making fun of silly beliefs. There is everything wrong with discriminating or being bigoted towards an entire population of people.

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