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07-04-2016 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Its like a lettuce, most of the damage is under the surface that you can't see until you cut into it.
Do you ever eat lettuce? Usually the outside leaves wilt but the inside is just fine. If you refrigerate it properly, the inside stays good for 10-15 days, even while the outside leaves look less than appetizing.
07-04-2016 , 04:23 AM
Legal steps seek to ensure Commons vote on Article 50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

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Mishcon de Reya, lawyers acting for a group of business people and academics, said it would be unlawful for a prime minister to trigger Article 50 without a full debate and vote in Parliament.
07-04-2016 , 05:18 AM
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George Osborne has pledged to cut corporation tax to encourage businesses to continue investing in the UK following the EU referendum vote.

In an interview with the Financial Times, the chancellor said he would reduce the rate to below 15% - some 5% lower than its current 20% rate.

That would give the UK the lowest corporation tax of any major economy.
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07-04-2016 , 05:22 AM
Farage has resigned.

Edit: still resigned
07-04-2016 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Legal steps seek to ensure Commons vote on Article 50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350
Chez:

Is there the equivalent of a "Supreme Court" in the UK that would decide on the question being raised by this law firm? If there is a proper judicial authority in the UK that rules on such questions, how long would they be likely to take before issuing a decision? If "Brexit" is thrown into the House of Commons, would MPs be inclined to take up the question - or would most of them prefer not being forced into "going on the record" with a vote? If this does wind up going to Parliament for a straight up-or-down vote authorizing the PM to invoke Article 50, how do you guess such a vote would turn out? Would a majority of the MPs be likely to reverse the decision of a [bare] majority of the voters?
07-04-2016 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Farage has resigned.

Edit: still resigned
I wonder who's next - Jeremy Corbyn?
07-04-2016 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Is there by way we can move Britain to the moon. How much is a moon base for 70 million or so people, probably more than 300 million a week but it solves immigrants coming over here enriching our lives and culture, growing our economy.

Edit, that crappy tv show under the dome might have an idea. How much to expand the eden project to cover the entire country?

We can leave the top of the dome open so every week American can parachute in trainers and x box games. To fund it we can just broadcast it like Truman Show. We'll take donations for other countries to pull harmless pranks like ten million gives someone weather controls of Birmingham for the day.
Phil, this sounds fantastic. Sign me up
07-04-2016 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
Chez:

Is there the equivalent of a "Supreme Court" in the UK that would decide on the question being raised by this law firm? If there is a proper judicial authority in the UK that rules on such questions, how long would they be likely to take before issuing a decision? If "Brexit" is thrown into the House of Commons, would MPs be inclined to take up the question - or would most of them prefer not being forced into "going on the record" with a vote? If this does wind up going to Parliament for a straight up-or-down vote authorizing the PM to invoke Article 50, how do you guess such a vote would turn out? Would a majority of the MPs be likely to reverse the decision of a [bare] majority of the voters?
there will be mass riots if parliament thumbed its nose at the vote results.
07-04-2016 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
Chez:

Is there the equivalent of a "Supreme Court" in the UK that would decide on the question being raised by this law firm? If there is a proper judicial authority in the UK that rules on such questions, how long would they be likely to take before issuing a decision? If "Brexit" is thrown into the House of Commons, would MPs be inclined to take up the question - or would most of them prefer not being forced into "going on the record" with a vote? If this does wind up going to Parliament for a straight up-or-down vote authorizing the PM to invoke Article 50, how do you guess such a vote would turn out? Would a majority of the MPs be likely to reverse the decision of a [bare] majority of the voters?
Afaik the high court will decide but it's not like the Supreme Court in that it's interpreting the law as laid down by parliament. Parliament is free to change that law. So it couldn't for example, rule Brexit as unconstitutional, it can only rule that Brexit requires an act of parliament. There are various ways that parliament can get this vote. A legal requirement is one but the Iraq war for example, did not legally require a vote yet Tony Blair decided to make it a matter of a parliamentary vote anyway. Alternatively parliament could probably demand one if it acts before the decision to invoke has been taken.
07-04-2016 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
there will be mass riots if parliament thumbed its nose at the vote results.
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That's kind of what I was wondering, (i.e. if MPs actually have the stomach to go on the record with a vote), or would prefer to avoid a vote altogether? The article chez posted made reference to the dilemma MPs face if they're forced to vote on Article 50 authorization. To wit:

The passage of that act would of course provide the opportunity for MPs (a majority of whom favour Remain) to express their views on Brexit and in theory vote according to their consciences.

However, it seems constitutionally inconceivable that Parliament would fly in the face of the Leave vote secured through a national referendum and refuse to pass an act that gave the prime minister authority to begin the "divorce" process.


I suppose many of the MPs may favor "Remain" - and vote that way if they vote their conscience's - but they'll vote "Leave" (or abstain) out of fear of losing their jobs in the next General Election.

This may all be moot if the former EU lawyer is correct in his assertion that the June 23rd vote automatically triggered Article 50 and the [2-year] clock is already ticking. (Lawyers are going to have a field day piling up billable hours on Brexit litigation ...)

Last edited by Alan C. Lawhon; 07-04-2016 at 06:57 AM.
07-04-2016 , 06:54 AM
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George Osborne has pledged to cut corporation tax to encourage businesses to continue investing in the UK following the EU referendum vote.

In an interview with the Financial Times, the chancellor said he would reduce the rate to below 15% - some 5% lower than its current 20% rate.

That would give the UK the lowest corporation tax of any major economy.

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Originally Posted by BAIDS
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Pretty amazing. We've just had a huge group of people rejecting the current outcomes of globalisation in a dramatic way. An explicit wake up call that we need to spread the benefits of globalisation in a far more equal way so that people can feel invested in the new globalist order rather than lashing out against it. How about a cut in corporation tax so the rich pay less and the slack will have to be taken up by the poor? More expert solutions, thanks george!
07-04-2016 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
If this does wind up going to Parliament for a straight up-or-down vote authorizing the PM to invoke Article 50, how do you guess such a vote would turn out? Would a majority of the MPs be likely to reverse the decision of a [bare] majority of the voters?
Very hard to say.

My best bet would be that MPs would want to see some sort of Brexit plan before voting to invoke. They may then reject that plan rather than outright refusing to invoke.

A total reversal is probably going to require a 2nd referendum. That in turn will probably require a material change in circumstances (plus the small matter of changing enough peoples minds).
07-04-2016 , 07:10 AM
lots of Conservative MPs who were (at least nominally) remain before have pledged to fulfill the (largely Conservative) voters wishes.
07-04-2016 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
lots of Conservative MPs who were (at least nominally) remain before have pledged to fulfill the (largely Conservative) voters wishes.
They are still quite likely to want to see a brexit plan from the next PM and the majority is small.
07-04-2016 , 07:39 AM
You know things are ****ed when the winners of the most important election in UK history are resigning.
07-04-2016 , 08:12 AM
Farage campaigned to get the lifeboats removed from the Titanic and now doesn't want to sail on it.
07-04-2016 , 08:28 AM
Could the House of Lords veto the Brexit? That would be hilarious.
07-04-2016 , 08:50 AM
The referendum is non-binding afaik. So HoL could go "f u racist olds lol"
07-04-2016 , 09:07 AM
Construction PMI utterly bum raped from 51.2 in May to 46 in June.

Construction output falls at its fastest pace since 2009.
07-04-2016 , 11:10 AM
but the FTSE100?? How can this happen??
07-04-2016 , 11:14 AM
I don't understnd anything about UK politics. Why are the winners resigning? Did NOBODY ask them what was going to happen, step by step, if the Leave wins?
07-04-2016 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BABARtheELEPHANT
I don't understnd anything about UK politics. Why are the winners resigning? Did NOBODY ask them what was going to happen, step by step, if the Leave wins?
You mean Farage? I think it's more he's retiring from the UKIP leadership than resigning.
07-04-2016 , 11:20 AM
Only Farage has resigned. He is a leader of UKIP who have 1 MP, and they don't even get on well.
07-04-2016 , 11:29 AM
It's time for True or UKIP

They're considering expelling their only MP from the party?
07-04-2016 , 11:30 AM
Property companies and the UK stock market as a whole taking an absolute bashing today. Reality setting in.

      
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