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07-02-2016 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Anyone here from the EU outside UK, Germany or France want to comment? I'm really interested.

I want to know if the relentless anti-EU propaganda in the UK is a tiny bit misleading. Are they really not a misrepresentative diktat with a clear agenda to superstate everyone in Europe?
Coming from a small country means there are very limited career options if you specialize to a high degree. Freedom to work/study in any EU country without hassles opens up lots of opportunities.

My brother does his PhD here in Vienna and works in an amazing team, like 75% of the members of his department are from other EU countries and their projects are mainly funded by EU grants. An Austrian friend met his German wife studying in Vienna, and they are now both working in research jobs in France and expect a kid soon. I imagine this would have been a bureaucratic nightmare 25 years ago.

Being part of a union also means that we at least have some voice in European matters and can be part of the solution. You think countries like Austria, Belgium etc could broker something like the Turkey refugee deal by themselves? We have approximately zero political leverage on our own.

And yeah, using a currency that is accepted all over Europe and easy to exchange in most tourist locations all over the world is a very nice thing. I definitely wouldn't want to go back to Schillings.
07-02-2016 , 01:32 PM
Cool post, thanks for sharing.
07-02-2016 , 01:38 PM
Let Germany Offer Young Britons Citizenship, Merkel Deputy Says
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Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel suggested that Germany could offer citizenship to young Britons, saying they shouldn’t be punished by the majority that voted to leave the European Union in the U.K. referendum.

“They wanted to stay in Europe because they know the world is changing” and the U.K. can’t go it alone, Gabriel said in a speech to a Social Democratic Party conference in Berlin on Saturday. “So it’s a good sign that young people in Britain are smarter than their strange political elite.”
07-02-2016 , 02:29 PM
Hey what about us oldies

Can we do dual citizenship? 16M of us brits becoming German as well should really confuse the brexiters.
07-02-2016 , 02:38 PM
At least we'd get a decent national football team. Shame about the food, though.
07-02-2016 , 02:52 PM
There's always Döner!
07-02-2016 , 02:58 PM
cheek of them bluddy germans trying to pinch our kids. your olds made some pretty bad decisions too you know
07-02-2016 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
At least we'd get a decent national football team. Shame about the food, though.
Hey, the dual kingdom of Wales & England has a decent national team.


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07-02-2016 , 03:15 PM
Chilcot next week.

Shame the amazing super awesome democracy and sovereignty stealing powers of the EU were utterly powerless to stop that cluster **** bomb.
07-02-2016 , 04:40 PM
07-02-2016 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BABARtheELEPHANT
The usual thing of how it will be difficult for the next 3-5 years so that's the basis to decide for the next half century.

The obvious question is how many of those 60 countries have bigger economies than the UK?

How many of our current tariffs, e.g. on wine, just result in British consumers paying extra money for French goods?

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Originally Posted by diebitter
On a different note, how many people in Europe actually voted for the party represented by Juncker and his lot (EPP I think)? What percentage of the population is it? Does anyone know? Does any British MEP actually form part of his party?
No British MEPs. The 4 Freedoms Party (UK EPP), which intended to affiliate if elected, got a total of 28000 votes or 0.17%.

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Originally Posted by davmcg
The irony is that there are some forces on the union left who actually believe that stopping free movement will restore the labour/union power of those years. In actual fact the free market right intend to utterly crush them.
Well who wins will be the result of domestic politics, i.e. Democracy.

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Originally Posted by plexiq
You think countries like Austria, Belgium etc could broker something like the Turkey refugee deal by themselves?
It's the stupidest deal of all time. They wouldn't have the problem in the first place if they weren't part of greater Germany and subject to whatever whim Angela Merkel has on a particular day, such as calling millions of people over one day and getting cold feet the next.

The infringement procedure against Greece for Schengen was started in 2009 but not acted on.

The refugees have stopped particularly because many countries including Macedonia, which is not a member, has sealed its border. You don't need deals when you have borders.

Also security was mentioned. lol. Merkel opposes NATO exercises in Poland as they might disrupt her sanctions-busting pipeline deal with Putin.
07-02-2016 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Patak32
Where did you get that house footprints in the uk are increasing not shrinking cause that ain't right.
You're right, it was American home building trends I was reading about not British.
07-02-2016 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by City
Are official crime statistics released on a weekly basis now?
Feel free to take it up with the National Police Chiefs Council if you disagree with the numbers they are reporting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7113091.html
07-02-2016 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Oh I agree this is quite horrible. And decisions have been made based on horrible arguments and lies presented by both sides.

Personally, I saw more hope in the arguments presented by Andrea Leadsom, Giselle Stewart and Boris (yeah I know, lol) than the 'this is as good as it gets, don't let go of the life raft' arguments of the other side (and those were the more rational arguments of Remain, lol).
You realise hope is an absolutely terrible measure for whether someone is making a good argument, right?
07-02-2016 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BAIDS
gove equity plumbing new depths. its may vs leadsom with may the heavy fave

no really, well played lads
I'll take ****ing Boris over May.

If I could get this Leadsom I'd be happy:

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‘I’m going to nail my colours to the mast here: I don’t think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.

‘Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.’
07-02-2016 , 07:01 PM
an ex-banker standing on a lets stay within the eu platform eh

over/under on tory votes in the north of england in the next general: 63.5
07-02-2016 , 07:39 PM
Due to Brexit the only people immediately forced to leave the UK are business investors.

Who would invest a penny into UK at the moment, its a complete shambles.
07-02-2016 , 07:46 PM
all the proclamations of the british economy being ruined/country in shambles/shotguns and canned goods are sounding a bit leave campaignesque to me
07-02-2016 , 08:21 PM
I have no idea if this piece is mental, but interesting read

"The international landscape may evolve in many different ways according to the coming reactions. But even if things turn out badly for some people, it’s always better to adhere to reality, as the British have done, rather than clinging to a dream until it shatters."

http://www.voltairenet.org/article192607.html
07-02-2016 , 08:42 PM
"Favourable to the Brexit, Queen Elizabeth is now able to reorient her country towards the yuan."

Does she have a mandate for that?
07-02-2016 , 08:56 PM
Probably the best thing in this thread is a Leaver whining (no idea why Brits add an E) about the cultural impositions of th EU, and when it's pointed out that literally every other country in the EU is more culturally imposed upon being unable to think of even one example.

Also why are national parliaments (some selected by absurd rules-hourse of lords) more democratic than the EU parliament?
07-02-2016 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
"Favourable to the Brexit, Queen Elizabeth is now able to reorient her country towards the yuan."

Does she have a mandate for that?
07-02-2016 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Probably the best thing in this thread is a Leaver whining (no idea why Brits add an E) about the cultural impositions of th EU, and when it's pointed out that literally every other country in the EU is more culturally imposed upon being unable to think of even one example.

Also why are national parliaments (some selected by absurd rules-hourse of lords) more democratic than the EU parliament?
07-03-2016 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by plexiq
I definitely wouldn't want to go back to Schillings.
Maybe the Leave camp wants to turn the clock a bit more and have the British Shillings back?



Way to go, Britain.
07-03-2016 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
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we will soon be witnessing the dissolution of the European Union, then NATO, and unless they pay close attention, the dismantling of the United States.
USA, watch out!

      
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