Where are you getting the idea that Germany wants to punish other countries?

I know you think that. In reality though, it functions impressively well overall.

greece of course

also their rhetoric towards us post-exit

A Greek told me so!

Why care so much about rhetoric? Rhetoric by itself doesn't hurt much. And there are pretty diverse positions being taken in the EU on the UK, so you can find examples of both pretty relaxed and pretty harsh rhetoric.

The Greece mess was a Eurozone problem. And even though you can have an argument about how it should have been solved, describing Germany's position as punitive is, well, rhetorical. It doesn't do justice to Germany's position.

What rhetoric do you mean specifically?

Not a lot has been said by the EU officials, except that they would like article 50 invoked soon and that single market access without free movement is non negotiable. Both seem perfectly reasonable points to me tbh.

That guy did mention Farage leaving in that article from last week: Leave donor plans new party to replace Ukip – possibly without Farage in charge
It's fun to imagine that the heroes of that anti-elites rebellion might be taking orders from millionaire donors. I guess we'll see if a new party does get created.

More doomsday a direct property investment fund has blocked all withdrawals as of today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36708844

You really shouldn't pay too much attention to Varoufakis.

can't give you specifics but obviously merkel wouldn't have had to make a speech aimed at her colleagues saying 'no need to be nasty' if there weren't elements within the german/eu hierarchy pushing for.. nasty

i think the pattern is clear, countries whose actions weaken or threaten to weaken the centralisation of power within the eu are punished or threatened with punishment

thats why i dont expect poland would respond to any offer re: reciprocal rights for citizens. fear of german reprisal

arron banks is very unfortunate in that he was born with a massive smug prick face. he is pretty much unknown to most people as of right now, but is starting to gain a lot more media attention since exit

his face will end up damning his new party once people are exposed to it



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boris just endorsed that leadsom woman for pm

also,

There is a reason I would support anyone but her. And Farage, **** him too.

I completely disagree with Gove on practically every issue and I hope he wins if it comes down to those two. At least I know he means well.

Party members at the same meeting liked her, fwiw.

The Sun was clearly shopping for a narrative they already decided on.

I mean she probably still sucked a lot but not nearly as badly as claimed.

I saw that press conference and Merkel didn't make that comment about anything in particular, she was arguing that the upcoming exit negotiations should be handled fairly and that there would be no need to get nasty in these negotiations. She was also taking a slightly softer stance on the timeline for invoking article 50, in contrast to Juncker/Schulz/Tusk.

The general EU line has been that the referendum needs to be respected and that they would like to get on with it sooner rather than later. Everyone stressed that relations should remain close and friendly post-exit. I really haven't heard or read anything even remotely qualifying as "nasty" rhetoric.

The entire idea that the UK would offer this to individual countries is ridiculous. The EU countries with high net emmigration to the UK could snap accept the offer and actually strengthen the overall EU negotiating position by leaving the UK retirees in Spain & co in limbo. Everyone expects that some reasonable deal regarding existing immigrants will be reached, and if anything I'd assume that the UK will be the one using them as leverage.

merkel/germans are pushing to take it easy on the uk and more power for national governments. juncker/the parliament want you out the door so they can get on with life http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1100852.html

anyway it seems like your position is pretty weak when you start out with talking about deportations. like maybe you dont have a lot of great cards to play if your first one is ruining the lives of millions.

So the Europeans can announce the Brits can stay then. They are in the same position. MvdB assures us that the EU decision making process is nimble and well suited to handling a crisis so I imagine we'll be hearing something by the end of the week.

re: the Old people in Spain. Obviously its up to them long term what they do but plenty of countries give retirement visas to people with foreign pensions because it's effectively an import for their economy - like a permanent tourist.

yeah it's a proper dick move to not just tell them they can stay.

The interesting question is whether they can keep their free health care there. That's not usually an issue with tourists.

In Germany there have already been people advocating for them to be able to get dual-citizen passports, and no one that I know of has suggested they should leave.

However, to pass that formally, the EU has to consult with member states, meaning that more than an intention cannot be expressed at this moment. Additionally, there is nothing to be decided on, until the UK triggers article 50.

You could take the Farage "may have had enough" as a godfather like kiss of death from the millionaire backer, or on the other hand as his knowledge from talking to him that Farage doesn't want to spend the next 10 years as a frontline politician.

Well thank you for the compliment! Until England voted for Brexit, I thought we were on our way to becoming the laughingstock of the world. (That's still possible - especially if we elect Trump ...)

a quarter of your country thinks your president is a secret kenyan muslim in league with isis tho

thats actual fubar

a quarter of any country has ridiculous ideas

half the brits voted to stay