isnt this the case with any country that you can enter visa free? as an American i can do exactly this in 100+ countries.

4. Something else

Too vague to bet on properly but as a sportsman's bet I'd take 1) or 4) vs 2) or 3)

Maybe you should go back and edit your original post then as the above has no resemblance to it.

Regarding 3.

If the UK were to leave the EU and instead ‘become like Norway’ by joining the European Economic Area (EEA), 93 out of these 100 costliest EU-derived regulations would remain in place at a cost of £31.4bn (94.3% of the total cost). This is because under EEA, many EU policy areas would continue to apply to the UK including financial services, social and employments laws, energy and climate change policies, and this is where the bulk of the regulatory cost stems from.

Given that EEA membership comes without any formal voting powers in the EU institutions, the UK would lose its ability to both amend these regulations and shape new EU laws.

While the ‘Norway option’ does mean greater independence in certain areas – chiefly the repatriation of agricultural policy, regional policy, trade policy and justice and home affairs – overall, it would make little sense to leave one club only to join another with many of the same costly rules.

#2 and #4 are hard to tell apart. no access to the single market probably means relatively few barriers to trading goods but the eu goes after british services. plenty of cars, but less finance and so on. i think that's the most likely outcome.

From 07/07

let's see if I can get to (2) at least given some news breaking in 20 minutes

Yes, I suspect this will be the case in terms of what the EU will be aiming for.

hearing very credible chatterings that leadsom is quitting the race

i mean the eu will be aiming for eea but it's not going to happen because horrifying lithuanian shopkeepers and all that.

That literal interpretation of "let you in" doesn't make any sense in the context of this discussion and it's clearly not what he meant. Just based on my passport I have visa-free or visa-on-arrival access to 170+ countries/territories. They simply "let me in", and that doesn't have anything to do with the EU/EEA.

Are you in favor of requiring tourist visa from EU citizens post Brexit? Because nothing will change in that regard otherwise.

looks like der currency markts didnt think much of leadsom

Except listen to their voice about what?

If we have the Norway deal on the table where migration doesn't change, what we pay to the EU doesn't change and we are still part of the single market meeting their regulations then surely the referendum is invalid when leave campaigned to limit migration, to not send money to Europe and to not be part of the single market following the EU rules.

This is of course why the referendum question was badly worded. It was so vague it cannot be a mandate to leave Europe at any cost.

It is only right and fair to have a second referendum and treat the first one as forcing a negotiation of terms if we do actually withdraw. Absolutely no one voted for whatever deal they scrabble together in the next twelve months and this is such an important question that vagueness cannot be permitted.

Actually the leave campaign promised to keep funding this somehow so they will be covered.

Obviously they will prefer a remainer.

prob also happy that new pm will take over much quicker than expected

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boomsday news: 250 up another 2.5%, 100 touching 11 month highs

FTSE 100 still down 8% in dollar terms from June 23.

how about june 16th

I would say lol but that's just disgraceful.

The referendum result is very clear. We want out. The cost is an irrelevance.

If the EU wants to inflict pain on both itself and the UK then so be it. They can explain to their exporters (they export a heck of a lot more to us than we do to them) just why demand in the UK has gone down, sales are down and people are losing their jobs. I'm sure 'we wanted to prove a point and stop others leaving' will give great comfort to those who lost jobs.

There will not be a Norway style deal.

We are going out in full accordance with the expressed wishes of the majority of voters in this country. Whatever the terms of leaving are they will be dealt with.

I'm pleased to see Theresa May confirmed there will not be another referendum, she obviously respects democracy. Now let's get her appointed asap and get the ball moving.

Brexit means Brexit, but no one even has a clue what Brexit actually means.

What exactly would be outside of the EU about that. Unless you are suggesting the EU rewrites all it 'laws' to include 'EU member states and the UK'.

I know the Remainers are upset, I really do, but just like everyone who voted Labour at the last election, or voted for SNP in the referendum, you have to accept that you're in the minority (and wrong) and let the democratic will of the people be put in place.

Or is democracy only valid when the decision goes in your favour?

You're presuming that nil tariff trade deals could not be agreed with other wine producing nations.

Since the EU seeks to protect France, and others, it does not allow free trade with others.

Without being forced to follow an EU agenda we will be able to agree trade deals whilst focussing entirely on what is best for the UK.

I'm quite happy to respect the result, but the thickos and bigots who voted to f-ck up the country will simply have accept that they get the absolute minimum in terms of leaving the EU if the elected government chooses that route.

Your points seem to suggest the poorer nations will remain poor because of the EU. I'd suggest they leave just like the UK.

Re: growth and environment i'd suggest almost every developed nation has reached development at a huge cost to the environment. Would seem hypocritical to deny the same route to others.

You are the one who is presuming things. You suffer from delusions about Britain's place in the modern world. The "trade deals with everyone" fantasy will be the first dream to be crushed.

Britains place in the modern world is that it is a huge net importer of goods and runs a massive trading deficit.

Why exactly would other nations not want us to buy loads of stuff from them?

Or more to the point why do you think countries would impose tariffs on us when we ask to set up deals so we can spend loads of money on their goods and provide employment opportunities for their citizens.