Last time I checked we were still paying rent

The sooner the EU collapses the better. I waited and waited for Cameron to come back and say they'd seen sense and loosened the leash about some elements of sovreignty, and the toothless **** didn't get a bean.

Let's get back to a functioning Europe based on trade, national sovreignty, shared interests on human rights, the environment and security, not a non-directly elected gravytraining elite that love their ideologies and the idea of some gigantic superstate than sense. Juncker is a major ****, and the sooner history ditches him, the better.

I'm very happy with Europe, but I loathe the antidemocracy that is the EU. If it cannot adapt, then it deserves to fall.

Only the public Remain campaign focused on the next few years. I don't think internal Tory politics was the reason many people cast their votes, including people who hardly ever vote in elections.

It's the highest turnout since 1992, but 1992 was a beautifully warm day whereas there were rainstorms for this referendum. Weather adjusted its probably the highest turnout since the 70s.

Regrexit is a fiction. There are also people who regret voting Remain now they have seen no punishment budget, no outbreak of fighting in NI and no need to send Polish NHS workers home.

The EU is the adaptation; people who can't adapt to it are those who deserve to fail.

See it's statements like this, when they come from the EU 'elected' (lol) and their ilk, that makes me glad we're on a road to separate from the EU.

Certainty in untested ideology and uncritical acceptance of it never ends well, especially in the hands of those not subject to clear democracy. See if you can think of any examples of that in the last 100 years of world history to help you out.

the eu is a safeguard on human rights, trade, the environment, security and so on, but that requires some common rules. people voted against it mainly because they wanted to take rights away from 400m fellow europeans (and themselves).

and yeah it's not collapsing. the common identity is growing stronger with every new generation.

Plenty of people according to whom? How many, more than the 1M+ majority?
How many Remainers who voted to avoid WW3 have been lied to?

You say the people voted like it was a by election and I correct you that you're talking out of your ass, as by elections have low vote counts and no interest whereas the referendum had a huge vote and mass public interest. And I'm ignorant lol.

You're out of touch with reality and you're living in denial. Thankfully the majority of voters in this country do not agree with the nonsense you spout and have some common sense.

Hopefully the Tories appoint a new PM soon and Brexit gets pushed through ASAP. Also hope the prominent Remain campaigner, and likely war criminal, Tony Blair gets some comeuppance tomorrow.

Collapsing economically. Well at least in the Southern nations.

And if the common identity is so strong why are member states terrified to give a membership vote to their citizens?

It's a strange political union which is supposed to be for the benefit of its members citizens but fears giving them a say in case they say no.

Exactly. It's turning into a bigger and bigger oligarchy and framing its purpose as being 'for the good of the people' while suppressing dissent. Good intentions are all very well, but when you use the excuse of good intentions as the reason you deny the doing of good works and the questioning of your choices... that's a road to hell.

there's no upside to it. the eu is something like 17-4 on membership votes but there's nothing to gain by redoing the ones that go right.

this is pretty much my exact standpoint fwiw

So far, everything but EU (and its predecessors), including "sovereign states" of "shared interests" have resulted in an European/World War, often with nearly perpetual conflict between major wars.

I predict it will be the Bitch vs the Witch in the EU death match; in other words, Theresa May Vs. Angel Merkel. Being an unabashed and unapologetic misogynist, I am going to really enjoy this match up.

liam fox has backed theresa may

crabb has dropped out and has backed may as well

Any chance of war between first-world Western democracies, particularly in Europe, was comprehensively ended in 1960, when France successfully tested a nuclear weapon in the Algerian Sahara.

Does it? Why do 28 countries need to have an unelected and unelectable committee decreeing laws to them in order to maintain human rights, free trade and cooperation on issues such as security? Are you seriously suggesting that without that, the relatively wealthy, well-developed and technologically advanced nations of Europe wouldn't be able to orchestrate that between themselves?

This is why people decided to leave. An enormous proportion of those voting to remain did so out of an ideological motive which had its roots in the desire to create a European superstate which could overrule democracy at a local level in order to maintain the progress of this project.

the eu is failing deal with it, and good ridence

funny, i was about to ask if you can think of any times in history where a fractured Europe driven by national ideologies went poorly.

well if ww3 is on the table now then i think we ought to get a headstart on our opponents

i say we demand the return of gascony immediately

can you remember a time in history when we had a European superstate, it happened about 25 years ago

the whole concept of a repeat of 1914 is ridiculous. As long as the US exists and is willing to project power in order to preserve the peace in Europe there will be no European war. Plus now is the era of free trade, its easier to gain resources with living people than dead conquered ones.

just like bitchi to compare the Warsaw Pact to the EU

'Untested ideology'? wtf are you talking about? Let's see if you can find any examples of successful economic and political unions in the last 150 years.

soviet union, yuogoslavia, iraq

political union of different cultures under authoritarian rule works great

lol pound at 1.29

United Kingdom.