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12-11-2018 , 11:28 PM

#5801

John Cole

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Dave,

It's "should have," not "should of."

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12-11-2018 , 11:31 PM

#5802

Dominic

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all of those are "should have," Dave.

Just because we often pronounce it to sound like "of" doesn't mean that is, in fact, "of."

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12-12-2018 , 12:06 AM

#5803

NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by daveT

Okay, I'll try to explain this. "Of" is used as an intensifier, similar to a double negative.

Actually no, "of" is never used that way.

But it was a creative argument to try to justify your phonetic substitution.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 12-12-2018 at 12:14 AM.

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12-12-2018 , 02:00 AM

#5804

W0X0F

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Originally Posted by daveT

I'm guessing the author in question wasn't using the device to it's fullest extent.

I'm starting to think you're just trolling this thread.

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12-12-2018 , 02:02 AM

#5805

John Cole

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Originally Posted by W0X0F

I'm starting to think you're just trolling this thread.

Nope. Dave's not a troll.

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12-12-2018 , 06:33 AM

#5806

His Boy Elroy

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Originally Posted by daveT

Okay, I'll try to explain this. "Of" is used as an intensifier, similar to a double negative.

For example:

"You shouldn't do that." -> You shouldn't do those things (could be in the past).

"You shouldn't of done that." -> You really should not do those things.

"You should of done none of it" -> You were being stupid doing those things.

"You should of done none of that" -> This is me lecturing you on what you shouldn't be doing.

"You shouldn't of done all that" -> You should not do those things, and now I'm irritated.

"You shouldn't of done none of it" -> You should not do those things. I'm angry, but I'll forgive you.

"You shouldn't of done none of that" -> You shouldn't do those things. I'm angry, and you aren't forgiven.

"You shouldn't of done none of all that" -> Incorrect speech, likely used as jesting hyperbole.

Conversely, "I should of studied for my test" is obviously "should have" but it has the intensity baked in. "I should'a studied for my test" has the same meaning but is less intense.

I'm guessing the author in question wasn't using the device to it's fullest extent.

Is this real life?

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12-12-2018 , 08:46 AM

#5807

Garick

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Originally Posted by Didace

You shouldn't have tarded up the first Fred. Not nice.

Man, Didace really effed this poast up, right Dave?

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12-12-2018 , 09:35 AM

#5808

Garick

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All of this confusion seems to stem from our odd pronunciation of "of," probably to differentiate it from "off." (Parenthetically, I suspect that they come from the same root.) I lobby that we should go back to pronouncing the unvoiced labiodental fricitive, and pronounce "of" like "uf." That should be enough to differentiate it from "ahf."

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12-12-2018 , 10:14 AM

#5809

John Cole

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Originally Posted by Garick

Gilbert Sorrentino writes in one novel of "a nalectric light." Same thing with "should of." And as a former Catholic I recall trying to make sense of the sacrament "extra munction." (Extreme Unction for you non-Catholics.)

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12-12-2018 , 01:59 PM

#5810

Garick

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One of my friends' son asked if he could have an apple. Then after he ate it, he asked, "can I have another napple?" That was when my friend realized that to his son it was "a napple."

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12-12-2018 , 05:49 PM

#5811

RussellinToronto

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Originally Posted by Garick

Thoughts on contractions in academic papers?

For a long time that was verboten, but PMLA, the flagship in English literary scholarship, changed their policy many years ago and I think most academic journals followed.

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12-12-2018 , 05:59 PM

#5812

RussellinToronto

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I thought maybe it was only me, a Protestant in a Catholic school in grade 8, that had made that mistake!

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12-12-2018 , 06:01 PM

#5813

Tom Ames

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I should never of opened this thread.

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12-12-2018 , 09:23 PM

#5814

Dominic

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Originally Posted by Tom Ames

I should never of opened this thread.

"uff" not "of."

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12-13-2018 , 12:31 AM

#5815

Garick

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Dave,

On the off chance that you're not trolling, let's take a look at your sentence "You should of done none of it." You are claiming that "of" is an intensifier. So there is no helping verb "have" in the sentence. In that case, why are you using the past participle of the main verb?

Let's say that the sentence wasn't so intense, would you really take out "of" and leave the rest the same. "You should done none of it?"

Does this convince you that the what you are discussing is just the helping verb "have" making the present perfect tense? It sounds like "of" because it is contracted. That is all. Seriously.

You should've known that already.

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12-13-2018 , 12:39 AM

#5816

John Cole

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Originally Posted by Garick

It sounds like "of" because it is contracted.

I assure you Dave isn't trolling. Also, people tend to pronounce "should have" as "should of" even when it's not contracted.

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12-13-2018 , 11:04 PM

#5817

daveT

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Originally Posted by Garick

No, not trolling. I truly don't see "should of" and "should have" as equal. I write "should have," but that has no connection to the connotations I would be using if I was speaking (I don't really speak this way these days).

For your example sentence, you could say "You should do none of that" to be more correct. That sentence works for past, presence, or future tenses. The sentence as I originally wrote doesn't imply something that happened in the past without context.

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12-13-2018 , 11:16 PM

#5818

Didace

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If daveT is trolling, it's awesome.

If he's not, it's awesome.

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12-14-2018 , 05:44 AM

#5819

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Originally Posted by W0X0F

I'm starting to think you're just trolling this thread.

right?

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Originally Posted by John Cole

Nope. Dave's not a troll.

but I know this to be true, Dave is a good guy

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Originally Posted by Didace

If daveT is trolling, it's awesome.

If he's not, it's awesome.

head asplode

I'm not sure what the conclusion will be, but I'm posting at 2am because I think "should of" could easily be in the thread title. My eye is twitching.

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12-14-2018 , 07:33 AM

#5820

Louis Cyphre

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You're "head" should of literally exploded!

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12-14-2018 , 08:04 AM

#5821

Garick

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"You should do none of that" to be more correct. That sentence works for past, presence, or future tenses.

I can't even.

And you still haven't explained why you would use a past participle following "of."

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12-14-2018 , 10:00 AM

#5822

John Cole

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12-14-2018 , 10:52 AM

#5823

NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

You're "head" should of literally exploded!

Someone please update the thread title to include this.

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12-14-2018 , 01:11 PM

#5824

NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by daveT

No, not trolling. I truly don't see "should of" and "should have" as equal.

They aren't, because there is no such phrase in English as "should of". Every time you thought you were saying that in your life, you were actually saying "should've."

Are you really still defending this?

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 12-14-2018 at 01:17 PM.