Double down still comparing covid to car crashes over a year later. Anybody who does thus irl at this point is seriously tarred and feathered as a fool

Look, I barely stepped outside my house for a year because I was at home with a pregnant wife and didn't want to take any risk at all. So please **** off with lumping me in with the anti-quarantine Covid deniers just because I used a car accident metaphor.

If you have one shred of rationality in your brain, you need to acknowledge that it is beyond reasonable to not perform basic life functions so as to avoid the incredibly rare chance of a car accident.

And so when making a decision, we not only have to weigh the risk and reward, but also the chances of that risk and reward. I can't believe I actually have to say that on a poker forum.

Just as Covid deniers have been taking (and continue to take) foolish risks, there also exists a foolishness at the other end of the spectrum. Say, someone who refused to leave their home until Covid 100% disappears.

Now if you want to make your arguments strictly on rhetoric, and also attack me for mine, then that speaks much more to your thought process. I prefer to adhere to what the overall scientific consensus would advise for my scenario.

Unfortunately I don't have Dr. Fauci know speed dial, so I thought this thread might be a good place to turn to for that.

Mileage may vary per person, but losing a young child is one outcome that is potentially worse than death.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...l-data-report/

I don't know how much those numbers would increase with the factors you named, which point to an increased risk of infection occurring.

I tend to agree with others that you are fortunate to have a valid excuse to avoid schlepping to a party full of anti-vaxxers. Then again I'm anti-social and hate weddings generally. YMMV of course.

I doubt your baby is in much risk... but given the bolded last sentence of your post, why even bother? Just the nagging fear that you are possibly needlessly exposing your infant to harm, will probably greatly diminish your enjoyment of the festivities anyway.

Can confirm. My entire family has basically spent the past decade dealing with PTSD over this. I think every person would choose to die themselves first.

Absolutely.

But it's obviously not the only consideration. Every decision I make for him is going to come with some risk. Every time I let him eat something unhealthy, I'm increasing his risk for obesity and death from heart disease. Any time I take him anywhere, I'm increasing his risk for being killed in a car accident. Etcetcetc

But it's obviously not feasible, or practical, or sane to only make decisions with 0 increase in risk. So re: the wedding, I'm trying to wrap my head around realistically, what level of risk I'm putting him at.

Those of you who think me foolish for even asking are really off base.

I'm sure it would be quantifiable to figure out in a random sampling taken right now of 200 unvaccinated Wisconsinites, how many of them would test positive, and what the standard deviations are. If it's some super low number like 5 people give it take a couple, then it seems like a very rational risk to take.

Double Down? More like Settle Down

Do you go on a forum and ask people should you take a drive?

If you take him to this wedding and something happens, you will be much more involved in an apparent and obvious chain of causality.

Obviously if your child is killed in an accident driving to school it will be terrible, but you wont feel like the person that killed him.

That is the outcome you have to factor in to your risk assessment.

Yeah, this is why I can't have a kid. I would somehow kill them by constantly trying not to kill them.

That's good stuff finally a solid mod post

*rimshot*

I'm settled, I just don't appreciate people coming at me like I'm an irrational Covid denier/antivaxxer/etc. when I'm asking what I think is a pretty rational question.

If there were no Delta variant and the numbers for new cases were continuing to crater as they have for months now, I'd feel fine in my decision to go to this wedding. The Delta variant is introducing a new variable that I'm unsure how to weigh.

LKJ - thank you for that stat. It would seem that if .03% of children who get Covid die from it (on the high end) then we're talking a 1 in 3300 chance, and actually less since he's a baby. The most recent info we have is also that breatfed babies do receive some antibodies from their vaccinated mother. Still don't know how to account for Delta variant which is problematic.

If I knew that the chances of something happening to him were astronomically low like one in a million, then I wouldn't have the nagging fear.

Just like I don't have a nagging fear of dying in a car crash every time I drive, even though there's about a 1/100 chance of dying in a car crash over the course of a lifetime.

I'd be more worried about the influence (what appears to be) aggressively ignorant people has on him.

I grew up in the far north of Wisconsin, and feel what you're saying about how backwards-ass some of the people up there can be whenever I visit.

Good luck, hope you make the right decision, whatever that is.

Yeah I've been pretty civil with them so far and we've managed to avoid politics for the most part but if they start trying to unload their bullshit into his brain once he's able to comprehend that stuff I'm going to shut that **** down hard.

Well I do suspect the odds are astronomically low for him so I guess there is your decision. Bigger issue I have is that if most at the wedding are not vaccinated, attending is essentially endorsing a potential super spreader event. If they are really mostly unvaccinated (even the older people), then odds of one or more people at that wedding being dead of Covid within a few weeks is not that low. That is not even taking into account wider community spread beyond the wedding itself. It's pretty irresponsible to hold a large indoor gathering full of unvaccinated people right now tbh.

YEE HAW INDEED!

Actually this raises an interesting point. If things start to really bad again in the states, is it possible that large gatherings will be made illegal again? And they'd have to reschedule their wedding?

I can't even remember, did that happen during Covid on a national level, or was that a state by state thing?

I say everyone locks down till covid zero is achieved! Or till the sun explodes whichever comes first

MEAN!


DD,

Afaik babies don't really get covid(yet!). I would probably just go and laugh at the spectacle of it all and some of the conversations you hear. The derp must be off the charts.

State by state. I'd assume some states could possibly impose restrictions on in-person gatherings again if hospitalizations start spiking due to unvaccinated people getting Delta.

Really can't imagine this happening unless a variant starts breaking through existing vaccines at a high rate and vaccinated people are endangered in large numbers. Even then, I'm not confident it would happen. The only way it wouldn't be seriously unpopular politically is if enough of the population started fearing for their safety again.

a baby's presence at a wedding means a lot more to you than it does to me(and probably the baby too). that's fair.

sorry i came off like a jerk. for real. i didn't really understand because a baby at a wedding isn't important to me. but i totally respect that it's important to you. we all have different stuff that is important to us.

i mean no one knows what the odds are of your baby getting sick or possibly dying. maybe driving to and from the wedding will be way more risky than risking covid at the wedding.

but just me... i'd be really freaked out by having lots of unvaccinated people all in close quarters, and a lot of them are going to want to cuddle and hug the baby.

also 1% is really high when you are talking about risking life/health