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06-26-2010 , 05:52 AM

#101

bicolor_le_bond

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Originally Posted by BASaint

Spinoff from the milk thread. Couple of people thought an ask me might be interesting.

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I have terrible eating habits, when I get stressed my appetite tends to completely shut down and i'll end up living on 1000 cals or less a day for months at a time. I went to cognitive behavioral therapy about the problem quite recently. I was 5'11 and approx 130lb which is just over the BMI level you need to be treated for eating disorders on the NHS, so although i'm pretty sure I have bullimia nervosa it's undiagnosed.

We played around with different CBT methods without much in the way of results. I started to suppliment my diet (after reading a 2+2 health & fitness post) with milk. Started off drinking approx 3 litres/day and trying to force a solid meal or two down along with it. This quickly dropped to less than 1 meal a day on average because consuming solids was becoming more difficult.

I now drink 4-6 litres a day and try to eat one small solid meal, although about 20% of the time i'll consume exclusively milk all day.. Am now about 155lbs and feel a lot better than I did at 130. More energy, better looking etc.

OP,

How long have these "terrible eating habits" been going on for? What did you eat before this and was there a sudden trigger to the new diet from the old? When is the last time you felt you had a decent apetite?

What stressors are likely to shut down your apetite and what coping mechanisms do you use to overcome them?

Any past medical history or psych history including problems with anxiety and/or depression?

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06-26-2010 , 05:57 AM

#102

flashlight7878

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Originally Posted by Bovvaboy

Why not gradually introduce protein powder into the milk.

I don't have any milk on hand but I think it has lots of protein in it and protein powder doesn't have many calories?

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06-26-2010 , 06:26 AM

#103

loK2thabrain

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all i have to say is LOL at not being willing to smoke weed yet being willing to try a pill manufactured in a lab to get an appetite going.

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06-26-2010 , 07:57 AM

#104

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Originally Posted by lagdonk

random stupid idea from me:

olive oil, chug half a cup every now and then, it's pretty much tasteless, takes 5 seconds to do, and insta-dumps ~1000 calories into your system

I wouldn't do it everyday, but just as an extra tool to have at your disposal on particularly lazy low calorie consumption days

Used to do this, couple of teaspoons of olive oil per day. Using on low calorie days is a very good idea imo

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Originally Posted by bicolor_le_bond

No diagnosed history of mental illness for me (although my mothers mother did kill herself so some in the family).

I can remember hiding food up my sleeve during mealtimes to put in the bin rather than eat during preschool, so pretty much forever.

No obvious sudden trigger, and one was not uncovered during CBT. I occasionally get a good appetite after a really hard workout.

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Originally Posted by Butcho22

all i have to say is LOL at not being willing to smoke weed yet being willing to try a pill manufactured in a lab to get an appetite going.

stupid pov

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06-26-2010 , 08:01 AM

#105

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Originally Posted by flashlight7878

I don't have any milk on hand but I think it has lots of protein in it and protein powder doesn't have many calories?

ths stuff I used to use had about 200 cals per serving, pretty high

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06-26-2010 , 09:28 AM

#106

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Originally Posted by BASaint

Thanks for the advice of course but i'm not sure i'm in a position to march down to my local GP and demand all these tests when a bunch of them have spent a considerable amount of time with me/know my medical history etc and deemed them unnecessary. I mean, I guess I could but meh, seems a bit 'MY HUNCH IS RIGHT UR ALL WRONG AND I BASE THIS ON NOTHING AT ALL'

Of course you can do this. Doctors are human, and they can get fixated on an idea just like anybody else. If you want them to do more tests, harass them until they do. Don't tell them exactly WHAT tests, necessarily, but say you're concerned it's not a mental issue and might be physical, and it would help if they check it out.

If they do check everything out and they find absolutely no physical problems, then the fact that it has to be in your head might help you get past it

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06-26-2010 , 09:41 AM

#107

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smoking weed is def not the answer

getting the munchies =/= enhancing your general appetite

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06-26-2010 , 09:47 AM

#108

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Do you crap like a pet ****?

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06-26-2010 , 10:18 AM

#109

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Do you crap like a pet ****?

Common name for Racoon is censored?

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06-26-2010 , 10:35 AM

#110

loK2thabrain

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stupid pov? that's all you got? keep drinkin the kool-aid, buddy. (or milk in your case lmao)

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06-26-2010 , 10:41 AM

#111

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Originally Posted by Butcho22

stupid pov? that's all you got? keep drinkin the kool-aid, buddy. (or milk in your case lmao)

Apparently he'd prefer to take manufactured drugs that probably have MANY more side-effects than marijuana. Makes sense, imo.

Even if he somehow got "addicted" to marijuana but developed a decent apetite after smoking -- I still think his health would be much better than it is now.

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06-26-2010 , 10:41 AM

#112

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Originally Posted by Butcho22

stupid pov? that's all you got? keep drinkin the kool-aid, buddy. (or milk in your case lmao)

where do you think weed is manufactured? the moon?

ur stupid if you havent been able to work out from my that the reason I dont want to try weed has nothing to do with its physical effects.

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06-26-2010 , 10:44 AM

#113

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Originally Posted by Hopey

Apparently he'd prefer to take manufactured drugs that probably have MANY more side-effects than marijuana. Makes sense, imo.

Hopey, the fact that i'd be involved in the drug scene and associate with dealers makes it completely unacceptable option for me and it should be clear why

Last edited by BASaint; 06-26-2010 at 10:51 AM.

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06-26-2010 , 10:44 AM

#114

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Originally Posted by didonk

smoking weed is def not the answer

getting the munchies =/= enhancing your general appetite

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06-26-2010 , 10:52 AM

#115

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Originally Posted by BASaint

where do you think weed is manufactured? the moon?

ur stupid if you havent been able to work out from my that the reason I dont want to try weed has nothing to do with its physical effects.

Most of the weed where I live is grown outdoors or in grow-ops. A friend of mine used to grow it in his basement under lamps. If you live somewhere where medical marijuana is legal, it is grown in greenhouses.

I realize that there are stories of weed being grown in the third world in contaminated soil, but this would be the exception rather than the rule.

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06-26-2010 , 10:55 AM

#116

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Hopey, the fact that i'd be involved in the drug scene and associate with dealers makes it completely unacceptable option for me and it should be clear why

You really don't know anyone who has access to pot?

I'm a pretty boring, law-abiding guy, but I could get my hands on some pot pretty easily -- and I wouldn't have to deal (directly) with drug dealers to do so.

If I was living on a diet almost entirely of milk, I think I'd at least want to try smoking a joint or two to see if it improved my apetite.

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06-26-2010 , 11:37 AM

#117

LiveNow

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haha yeah i almost posted earlier again when he said he was open to steroids but not weed but decided i had repeated myself enough itt. really mind boggling.

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06-26-2010 , 12:38 PM

#118

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Originally Posted by LiveNow

haha yeah i almost posted earlier again when he said he was open to steroids but not weed but decided i had repeated myself enough itt. really mind boggling.

It's quite possible that he subconsciously doesn't want to get better. All the way through the thread he has presented reasons why such and such a treatment wouldn't work, or why he can't get a certain treatment from a doctor, etc...

Eating disorders are notoriously hard to treat. If he doesn't have something physically wrong with him that is preventing him from eating, he'll need to rewire his brain to enjoy food. That's not something that you can do overnight.

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06-26-2010 , 12:42 PM

#119

Duerig

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Originally Posted by BASaint

I occasionally get a good appetite after a really hard workout.

This was going to be my suggestion. I saw that you lift - do you squat / deadlift heavy weights? Start a log in H&F and look up starting strength. I am similar to you in that I hate eating breakfast and often skip meals but on deadlift days by god my appetite triples.

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06-26-2010 , 12:48 PM

#120

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Originally Posted by Duerig

I'm curious as to what he considers as being a "good apetite". Does it mean wanting to eat a 16oz steak with a baked potato, veggies, and dessert? Or does it mean eating half a piece of dry toast?

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06-26-2010 , 12:54 PM

#121

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Originally Posted by Hopey

I'm curious as to what he considers as being a "good apetite". Does it mean wanting to eat a 16oz steak with a baked potato, veggies, and dessert? Or does it mean eating half a piece of dry toast?

lol dry toast

i'd be able to eat that steak meal after a really tough gym day but i'd be skipping dessert

edit: wouldn't want to eat it tho obv

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06-26-2010 , 01:01 PM

#122

Hopey

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Forgetting for a second that your diet is extremely unhealthy and is almost certainly shortening your life, do you *want* to be able to enjoy food?

Or is your sole motivation for seeking medical help for your condition that you're concerned about your health?

This might have been asked previously in this thread, but do you enjoy the taste of food? Or does everything taste bland/gross to you?

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06-26-2010 , 01:01 PM

#123

brad2002tj

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You would fit right in the health and fitness forum.

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06-26-2010 , 01:11 PM

#124

Duerig

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BA,

What do you think of my suggestion?

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06-26-2010 , 01:29 PM

#125

BASaint

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Originally Posted by Duerig

This was going to be my suggestion. I saw that you lift - do you squat / deadlift heavy weights? Start a log in H&F and look up starting strength. I am similar to you in that I hate eating breakfast and often skip meals but on deadlift days by god my appetite triples.

I work arm muscles using freeweights and bench, I dont work out my legs using weights though.

not sure what bold means

guess i could do a log

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Originally Posted by brad2002tj

You would fit right in the health and fitness forum.

guess i'll take a look