yeh he does play a pretty unorthodox style, but he's also very poker smart. he's well aware of his range and how to avoid exploitation. whats interesting is there's been a few guys in my games of late that have started using limp/fold, limp/call and limp/raise ranges. its quite difficult to work out how to counter it because its not something ive come across before (obviously fish do this alot but with very well defined ranges)

I'm not even sure if I can beat NL25 for a decent clip now, I'll skip trying to figure out limping strategies.

That'd only be true if we didn't see turns or rivers, really. The times we X/F and lose we end up losing less. At the same time, it only takes a bit of a larger bet on the turn or river to make up for the small difference preflop.

The last session I had of yesterday, where I opened to 2.5x, I ended up with a bb/100 of 30 - 40bb/100. Had to calculate that myself since HEM2 decided not to make it a separate session, so can't be completely accurate. So I doubt the opening size matters as much.

At the microstakes, we make most of our money from people calling down wayyyyy too light, so our winrate can be pretty high without us raising to 3x preflop.

Example of yesterdays light callers:







People still find ways to spaz out too.





So as a general rule of thumb, as long as you can play good solid postflop poker, then there's not too much of a reason why your winrate should be effected by your opening size.

If you're folding to 3bets a lot, then if anything your opening size being 2.5x is saving you a little in the long run.

Yep, that's who I meant.

H1 Raise flop or turn?



H2 Hah



H3 Call me a nit but I wasn't loving his sizing.



H4 Pot control win?



H5 Yeah i'm a complete station. Thought he'd be barreling turn w/ a few bluffs but should probably be folding there and then.

H1 - raise flop, you rep more bluffs
H2 - don't like turn overbet, can't imagine you do this with bluffs?
H3 - tough call, pretty far from the top of your range there
H4 - raise more pre as you're deep. Worst turn and river, but potodds call i suppose
H5 - don't know what you're doing here, every street

Playing without HUD certainly is more time consuming. Have to manually add notes and Blaze poker doesn't even have hand histories locally.
Thoughts on this hand?
Fish limps, i iso 4x with AK, one caller + fish. Flop AT4
Fish donks around 60%, i raise 3x, he shoves. Stacks 109bb

H1 - Raise flop and turn
H2 - Whenever I overbet people always fold...
H3 - I like all actions, raising on the river is just value-owning. I can't fold after it checked around OTF
H4 - Not sure why you CBet so small - I think something like 60% will get pretty much the same ratio of call/fold.
Don't blame you just calling down when passive guy starts donking into you. He should've sized this way bigger as I still think you're likely calling two streets.
H5 - I'd just fold turn, you're now pretty much only beating 88 or the occasional AQ bluff and losing to everything else. Tbh there's even a good case for folding the flop, what are you supposed to do on later streets and villain continues betting?

Hallo mates, what's the story of this thread? Cause the title is a bit misleading. Content is very nice tho and i m surprised i hadnt notice it earlier.

Played speed poker and reg tables today.
Can you spot the difference?

Thought I wasn't going to make it there for a while, but all done before NY



Might stop messing around on Zoom now and go crush some 25nl reg tables!

I can post PS screenshots as well.

Moving up the VIP ladder!

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On a non-related note:

Can someone explain the logic of the "necessity" to 3bet or fold pf in certain pf situations? It sounds a lot like raising for information, which is obv pretty dumb. But what do I know. I've seen a couple good posters mention 3betting or folding before, but I can't really imagine a scenario where we HAVE to take those options

If you're talking about that ATo hand hands can be profitable to 3bet but not call. 3betting KJo against a random button open when we are in the BB is going to show more profit on average than when we call.

The problem with that ATo hand is that we very likely lose a fair bit when we hit an A because villain has only better not worse Ax, don't get that much when we hit a T and we don't win that much when we hit an A and villain doesn't have an A.

Against someone opening wideish in the CO then calling ATo is going to be fine, against and even in that spot calling may be ok.

The reason ATo can work as a 3bet is because it blocks villains calling/4bet range, however a lot of the time I also feel like it blocks their folding range too which we don't want. It doesn't really play well postflop in a 4bet pot, but we aren't expecting villains to flat 3bets OOP very often so that's not too much of a worry.

tl;dr - It depends, work on your ranges and see where **** fits in.

Maybe my ranges are too wide, but if it's folded to me in the CO, I'm opening all s00ted Ax hands, as well as A8+. So I think others open that range as well. I could obv be wrong.

We also dominate all Tx hands.

If our 3bet gets called, we're playing against a capped range that crushes us. By flatting, we're playing against a range we dominate, and there's thick value to be made by playing 3 streets against someone we're ahead of pf. Additionally, there's more value in doing that then just trying to get a fold pf imo

I appreciate the response though, looking forward to additional ones as well

Your ranges aren't too wide, the CO opener in the example is very likely not to be wide enough. Just because you do something doesn't mean other people will.

A pair of Tens is much less likely to be top pair than Aces. That's also very important to take into account. It also has overpairs we are putting money in against when we have a pair of tens. At the same time we get more money from stuff like 77.

Try to take everything into account when thinking about stuff, but ye I was slightly surprised by all the 3bet/fold stuff myself in all honesty. Mostly depends on how good you are post flop and how bad villain is.

woah, this isn't the case. KJ should be a flat from BB vs pretty much every BTN

I meant KJs, I'd just misremembered something so it doesn't matter anyway.

edit - because it doesn't fit my point orginally. Obviously it does that I was wrong about that.

SB is a different discussion though obv. 3betting your range can be a fair strat from there

h2 he's a fish so we don't have to remain balanced?
h5 are you folding pre with those odds? we can't flop much better for our hand so the only real mistake is the turn?

That's kinda standard sizing for me in 3b sizing with bluffs and value hands.

Well, time to pull out my graph for the year without being ashamed of the results.

One thing that I've often said to myself is "Bleh, a bad day... I'm gonna delete this database and start a fresh one so I feel more confident in myself". Today, that changes. Today I work on my own beliefs in myself no matter what my results show, rather than just try and get a graph looking good when my results have been anything but.

So, gentlemen, I present my 2013 graph.



Pretty gross looking stuff.
As the graph would suggest, I did pretty poorly towards the end of the year. During July I deposited $10 on Pokerstars and played 2nl. After a while, I was quickly at 5nl, and as my graph will show, I did pretty decently.






But not everything can be a Cinderella story. After binking a freeroll, putting my bankroll in the $300+ range, I began to play 10nl...





...and proceeded to play bad, run bad, and tilt constantly.

So, 2014 is going to be the year where I really strive myself to get out of my bad habits, to make correct plays, and to focus hard on studying. I have beliefs in my ability as a player. I just need to make sure I can make my results reflect those beliefs.


Happy new year, everyone!

If people are making PG&C threads for 2014 please do post them in here/the January thread. As it's always good to get motivation from other posters and I don't know about everyone else but I don't read through that section so could easily miss them.

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Just popping in to say Happy New Year to all you lovely poker wizards. Haven't played much since Christmas, around 2,000 hands of 5NL, but up around 4BI so got a nice cushion for 10NL now. Going to make a PG&C thread at some point and I've subbed to all the ones posted thus far. See you in 2014!