Interesting break from shouting about how much you hate immigrants to instead complain about how much you hate black culture... go on Tooth

Yes if Floyd hadn't ingested a lethal amount of fentanyl and meth and tried to pass a counterfeit bill he wouldn't have been arrested in the first place. Chauvin didn't have to keep his knee on Floyd's neck after he was unconscious, and he's been convicted of murder. What about the black cop who was holding down Floyd's legs though? Was the black cop being racist against George Floyd also? I think the point is that cops aren't out killing black people left and right like the media and BLM is trying to portray. It's just not happening.

Here's some facts, more unarmed white people are killed by police every year. While it's true black people are disproportionately killed by police, they also commit a disproportionate amount of crime, meaning that they will have a disproportionate amount of police interactions.

What are your thoughts on all the black people who disagree with the Black Lives Matter movement? Are they racist against blacks too? Disagreeing with the political organization of BLM does not mean that you don't believe that black lives matter too.

Ah yes, the "very fine people" hoax. Please go ahead and tell me what the full sentence is that Trump said when he said very fine people, I bet you can't. Stop being obtuse and ignorant. Stop falling for propaganda.

Trump: "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."

Is this funny or is it racist? Is it both? Am I a racist for laughing?

The best way for you to test your construct and find out how much of a racist you are is to for you to ask your questions on a forum that has a much higher percentage of the demographic that is on the receiving end of this topic. This forum, and certainly this thread, do not qualify to make that assessment from a first hand perspective. Things tend to be pretty simple in the end, so if you are told by the vast majority of those on the other end that you are indeed a racist then you can choose whether to accept that assessment or continue to ask more "what about" questions to them. Obviously you will never do this, and if you did then we all know how well it would go, but that would be the proper test for someone like you if you were really interested.


Goes from moral outrage at sites like that Cain awards place mocking people to sarcastically mocking a dude who took the vaccines and had an adverse reaction. Quite the surprise...

"A regular cycle of vaccination and re-vaccination for ever."

The only question remaining is, will it be 6 monthly, 5 monthly, or every 3 months?

Maybe the better test is the black guys in the video. Do they think it's racist?

I'm curious what you think though. Do you think it's racist? I mean are you basically saying that white people can't tell what racism is? You lack that ability? Racism is pretty well defined from an objective standpoint.

I appreciate the standard redirection methodology you are trying to use, and you can ask about that as well if you ever do the test I suggest. You can even toss in the whole "Racism is pretty well defined from an objective standpoint" routine as well when doing the test. The results (if you did the proper test) would not surprise anyone, including you, so safe to say you will never do it.

Anyway, this is a thread about Covid, so why don't you share your beliefs on whether people should be vaccinated or not. Keep in mind most of the people saying they will never get vaccinated within this thread are in their 40s or 50s - so do you think those people are making the correct choice for themselves, and more importantly for society?

Funny how you can't answer a simple question, say I'm redirecting and then redirect and ask me a different question. Exactly what a racist would do. If you really weren't a racist you wouldn't hesitate to answer that question. You would be actively trying to dismantle racism when you see it, instead you gloss over it and change the topic. Therefore you are a racist. Probably a fascist too.

I'm vaccinated. Should people be allowed to make bad decisions? Yes. I think private businesses should be allowed to exclude people who aren't vaccinated. What percent of USA is currently vaccinated? Does the vaccine seem to be slowing down the rate of infection at all? You tell me, if you're afraid of covid don't go places that allow unvaccinated, it's simple.

What are your thoughts on ivermectin?

Actually I am a person that told you specifically my beliefs and how you can test yours and then pointed out that this is a thread about Covid, so changed the topic back to that. If you want to do the redirection thing to imply that makes me a racist - I do not care other than I would have liked you to use that mundane trope in a more entertaining and creative manner. Obviously if you did the test I suggest the result would come back approximately 100% that you are racist, give or take, but you will never take it, so this little chat has gone about as far as it can. Anyway, back to the thread topic.

Even if the vaccine slowed down transmission (which it probably does) that would not change the debate much. Not as if the anti-vaxxers were swayed by that when it was the case with the vaccines against the alpha version.

In terms of whether people can make bad decisions - to an extent the answer is it depends. If someone wants to pour acid on themselves then that is a bad choice but go for it if they want to do that. If they want to pour acid on themselves in an area where a lot of the acid will hit others - that is a different situation where their freedom to make a bad choice is offset by the need of society to not allow them to make that bad choice.

This virus is something one person can spread to others, and as well for the unvaccinated the odds that they will use up a lot more resources in terms of medical facilities is hardly trivial. The vast majority of people in the hospital with Covid are unvaccinated even though the majority of people are vaccinated. In Canada (with a near 80% vaccination rate) about 80-90% of people in the hospital are not fully vaccinated.

From a societal perspective what you have is a smaller percentage of the population opting out of a free vaccine and as a result clogging up the medical resources. In the USA some of this will be remedied when the insurance companies stop paying for unvaccinated people, but in a country with socialized medicine that is not an option, so with that - how unreasonable is it for measures to be put in place to deal with this situation.

My thoughts on that drug are that I find it interesting that so many anti-vaxxers, many of whom claim to have a stance against "big pharma" will rush from one quick fix (in this case a product made by "big pharma") to another based on who tells them to do that. I admit that when anti-vaxxers proudly say that they will not take an FDA approved vaccine but they will will pop some pills or ingest some paste that Joe Rogan tells them to eat is a puzzling one.

I better understand those that say they will just take vitamins or that Jesus will save them. Their thought process follows a logical construct, even if I do not agree with it, but the vaccine = bad and the rando alternative medicines (hydroxy, Ivermectin etc.) = good is a strange one. To get a better answer to that you may want to ask posters like bobby why he will never take the vaccine but will happily take hydroxy and then this deworming product. I have asked them but they refuse to answer for some reason.

We still don't know how often boosters might be needed. It may be one and done. It may be yearly, or some other period. Some virologists don't think we will need them at all, or if so, only a small subset of immunocompromised people.

In all honesty it doesn't really matter that much since the inconvenience of getting a shot, say, every 6 months, is far less of an inconvenience than being hospitalized with Covid.

I know you are trying to use boosters as a gotcha that shows vaccines don't work, but you'd be wrong as usual since they do work quite incredibly well.

I think the simple answer is they are afraid of needles. Something you swallow orally "feels" safer than something injected into you, whether true or not. Had the vaccine been a pill we'd probably be at 95% uptake by now.

Hasn't Derek Chauvin debates been litigated long enough? Why are we talking about him in this thread.

Is this where people go for information now? Random twitter posts?


So we for sure know from his twitter posts that Astrazenaca caused his bells palsy amirite?

Because deranged left wing losers like to smear anyone as racist who disagrees with them on another topic. When you're stupid, it's all you can do to try and win an argument. In this case racism was brought up by someone trying to smear anti vaxxers.

Another one of my many posts in this thread that aged really well.

"There is a limit to how long humans should be living. After a certain age, most of us will just be taking up room / opportunities / resources from the newer generation."

Well said Tien, well said.

I don't agree with anti vaxxers at all but taking enjoyment out of seeing them die is Cuepee levels of demented.

I suspect most people do not take glee out of derps dying due to derpdom, but they probably don't particularly care either since it was a voluntary choice on their part. I will admit that I did chuckle when people had boat rallies for Trump and the bigger Trump boats swamped and sank some of the smaller ones. Nobody was hurt, other than the boats, and I would not be shocked if the people in the bigger boats did not care either. After all, they had the bigger boat.


Did it age well (pun intended)? Seems kind of simplistic to me, as the age that where a person is declared a non contributor can vary quite a bit. If you are in sports then good luck doing that in your 40s or in some sports in your 30s or late 20s. Some in this thread would declare 40 as the max of general usefulness while others might pick 50 or 60 or a different number. No idea what age you would classify overall as being past their usefulness, so perhaps you will share that.

Let's say you pick 60 for example. According to you at that point most or all of them will be taking up room/resources from the newer generation? First I would ask you what your solution is to this issue. For sports the team cuts a player, so is your solution something similar akin to have a great celebration at 60 and then do a ritual suicide so that you do not take up space and resources?

As our society is not yet built around the cull people at age xxx concept, what has happened is entire industries exist that provide products and services for those above whatever age you would deem a human to lose their value. These industries create a huge number of jobs for those who are still of value in your math and the reality is that the older people have a lot of the money to contribute to purchasing products and services that are made for them. Most charities and arts are supported by that generation as well for the bulk of their funding, so while they may not be able to do as many pull ups as you, perhaps they are still contributing overall in a different manner.

You are proud of your quote, so feel free to fill in the details of what age on average a human loses its value and what your solution would be for any human that reaches that age. Thanks in advance.

Of course its a simplistic comment.

It started from a conversation I had during dinner with my doctor friend when I asked him what he thought of using future medicine to raise the life expectancy from 80 to 110 or 120.

He said he hated the idea since it will most likely entail taking 80 year olds and pumping them with drugs until they are 110 or 120. He didn't see us being able to make 50 year olds look and feel like 20 year olds.


He also didn't like the idea of being 99 years old, still working at a hospital while a 28 year old freshly graduated medical student was waiting in line for a job. He said his time would have to end so that someone else could carry forward his job.


I thought about that comment for a while and now I agree with him.


These are simple intellectual conversations that are beyond Cuepee pay grade.

No we don't, but it is a recognized complication of some covid vaccines. So maybe it's just a coincidence or maybe not. He obviously thinks the vaccine caused it or he wouldn't have tweeted about it occurring after his first shot.

And the guy is an MP. So hardly some random.

Well, those are simplistic extreme examples. I don't think too many 99 year olds are working full time any more. Maybe a couple, and good for them, but not many, so most are not taking resources away at that point, rather they are consuming services and products that employ tons of people who are still viable in terms of age.

Age expectancy has risen as medical changes and awareness of health have changed, and that trend will likely continue. Fauci is 80, and I doubt many people (regardless of their opinion of his policies) would think that he is way past his prime in terms of awareness and his ability to do his job. It would be much harder for him to be in that same spot in 1921 than in 2021, so 80 today is quite different than 80 was a century ago, and similarly 100 a century from now will be different than 100 is now, and society would change as this happens as well with again more industries being created to serve the changing demographics.

Your scenario is more akin to a "here is a magic pill, now everyone lives 50 years longer without any changes to how functionality works" - and yeah that would be much more of a shock to the system, but that is not how it will work. A typical 90 year old today will be different than a typical 90 year old a century from now, so placing a huge supply of current 90 year olds into the future is not accurate.

Maybe it's because some drugs have long safety records and some vaccines don't.

Not sure what the big mystery is. It's not rocket science.

"Afraid of needles". LOL

The intellectual conversation is fine.

When you apply it dismissively to a real world conversation about the olds and how they are dying due to covid, as if to dismiss the value of their deaths, AS YOU DID, it is sociopath level **** just as you mocking anyone and EVERYONE with any long haul symptoms of covid as not sympathetic as they must be lazy or fat was also that sociopath.

Tell us Tien, do you still think that because you got over covid quickly and relatively easily with no carry forward issues that means the only way others have issues is if they are lazy and fat? Is that how you analyse situations and data?

I’m confused how anyone can go on itt posting about anything other than trading opportunities. But to each their own.

One thing compelling me to comment because I’m a hopeless fool is “a regular cycle of vaccination” used as proof vaccines are dubious. ****ing lol. The flu shot conspiracy(what, with its never ending cycle of new doses) is losing it’s ability to control us, so “they” have gotten together to rollout a NEW cycle of vaccines that don’t even work or something? Is that it? Some real chefsfingers.kiss stuff right there.

Well I certainly didn't see it coming that this thread would turn into the Derek Chauvin defense thread.

Here's a pretty reliable rule... if someone posts memes about how George Floyd should have just done what he was told... he's probably a racist. Likewise if their FB feed is full of posts railing against BLM and immigrants.

I mean is it possible they are NOT racist, and just have an issue with our methods of border security, or the political philosophy of the BLM organization? Sure, it's possible. Just not likely.