Hmm... let me see

What do diabetics have in common with all other high risk groups for covid?

Anyone care to hazard a guess.

Not enough vitamin D?

All the best.

It's weird that they lump Type 1 and Type 2 together considering they are completely different diseases.

A Japanese study drew a link between Type 2 diabetes and COVID-19 accelerating into a severe state:
https://www.healio.com/news/endocrin...ssion-in-japan

UTEP found a link between unmanaged diabetes in Hispanic patients and severity of covid-19:

https://elpasoheraldpost.com/utep-st...d-19-severity/

Yes, they tend to be far older than the overall population.

Did you even read my post before deciding to respond sarcastically? Because the entire point of the post was to say that the risk factors for diabetes correlate strongly with risk factors for covid. As such the statistic is essentially useless for drawing any conclusions about whether diabetes is itself a risk factor for covid.

Is it? Or is it actually the diabetics that are most at risk which has given the illusion that others are more at risk than they actually are simply because they share qualities common with diabetics.

It wasn't meant to be sarcastic. I just wondered if you knew what the common risk factor is. It's common to all high risk groups without fail by the way.

Do you have a listing of all the high risk groups?

It is possible that there is a causal link but the statistic itself is useless for drawing such a conclusion. A study controlling for other factors would be necessary for any such conclusion. Without it the statistic could be the equivalent of saying that increases in sales of sun cream cause increases in the sales of ice cream - i.e. a correlation with a common cause, not a causal relationship itself.

Old people.

Dark skinned people.

Diabetics.

Obese people.

Immune suppressed people.

People with respiratory diseases.

They are the main ones off the top of my head.

Why would it not be safe? and why the mRNA specifically?

So the Deputy Director of the CDC says it needs time to evaluate if the third shot results in more serious side-effects, yet you're expecting a definitive answer from people in this thread?

Good news though, is that you'll find a new tweet within the next couple hours to use as foundation for a new declaration of TEOTWAWKI.

Why not take a few weeks off, then come back and see how your predictions have panned out? It's not good to always be reading the internet, looking for evidence of how we're injecting poison into our bodies.

Derp, Derp, Derp.

But d'uh I thought the vaccines meant you would not catch covid.

If it just makes you much more likely to be asymptomatic, not need hospitalization and not die who cares about those things.

It makes it sound more like a cold, mild flu bug and derp, derp, I hate those so glad i did not vaccinated. Derp, derp, derp.

I don't want to see anyone die.

But that said if a certain percent of the populace is going to refuse to get the vax then I absolutely do want Covid to do its thing to get that group to herd immunity... and the quicker the better before less temperate weather roles in.

Wheat does that mean?

it means lets get the unvax'd infected, the corresponding numbers hospitalized and sick with their host of conditions they are then gifted to carry forward and lets cull off as many of them that need to die off so we can get to a herd with antibodies.

We do not want the Derps dragging this out making society consider increasing shutdowns again while the very same derps complain about that which they cause.

So lets ramp up the cull!!!

Yeah, it's pure rage coming from me: Maybe look back up-thread and see who called who a "braindead ****ing moron" when they just asked a question... Or better yet, take a break: we'll all be here in a couple weeks.

So this is what it is like when the thread goes back to being a "serious" one. The co-main incel puts more people on ignore while the vitamin D derp that even the other derps pretty much ignore is waiting to do his big reveal of what old people and dark skinned people have in common. Guess its the unpaid moderators fault...

All the best.

You'll never see this, but the irony of someone who spends 16+ hours on here a day saying they don't have time to read my occasional posts is delicious - keep ringing that bell, I won't expect a response.

They're saying experimental because it makes their point sound better than it actually is

The experimental is irrelevant as to the validity of said points

It's really to make light of the fact that these are not vaccines like traditional vaccines we all know and understand to be generally safe and effective. They're not even like flu shots. They exist under EUA, and that is something worth making note of and highlighting. Hence, "experimental"

I would imagine they'd only drop the experimental part once there is actual long term data and it passed the same rigors of testing all other vaccines go through before being approved

It's very unlikely that I will need hospitalization or die so who is the person that doesn't need a vaccine that isn't even 100% vs the current predominant variant and may not even last over an extended period of time and may or may not require a 3rd shot and/or regular booster shots which may or may not have unintended consequences.

<---- this guy, that's who.

Best of luck to you though. I guess when the next variant/virus is released you'll just get more shots and the problem will be magically solved (again and again and again). I think I'm just going to wait.

So is Delta a threat to overwhelm hospitals in some places like before? What about death rates? Reading through the swamp of toxicity that seems to have permeated here, it seems the death rates are not nearly the concern they were in the past, but that's more about vaccines v non Delta strains, correct? We don't know much about the true nature of Delta quite yet? Although early indications show the current vaccines are not really helping much? Appreciate answers to any of the above questions

You seem like you've been rage posting too

Maybe this applies to a lot of posters, but if one is going to approach such high and frequent levels of arrogance and condescension, then it's not going to be their intelligence that comes into question. It's their mental stability

Not meant to sound like an insult. Mental instability could range from just being on here way too much, posters pissing you off more than any one post really should (taking the internet too seriously), all the way down to possible addiction to social media (I count this as social media) or an actual mental disorder or two one may not be aware of yet

Vaccines are obviously helping.

Delta has been the dominant strain in the UK for weeks now, we have a massive case load with 50K new cases a day. For reference our winter peak was 60K a day.

Relatively to the last wave, deaths and hospitalisations are way way way down.

Tomorrow even though we will surpass our winter peak in new cases per day within days, we are relaxing near all mitigations in the UK.

Obviously this is a gamble. If cases reach astronomical levels, there will still be pressures on the health system even with effective vaccines, before waves have always been blunted by lockdowns, we are opening up into a wave, never been done before. Also any new variants get a free run as there is nothing in there way.

Shuffle is a complete nutbar going through some kind of public break down, he will tell you the vaccines dont work at all.

Why the **** are you asking this thread for information?

You come to this thread with information, anyone taking information away from it, lol, nope.

Do your own work, you will see I am correct.

Bring back Limon, I say.

Everything in the UK is predicated on the vaccine being 90%+ effective at preventing deaths from the delta strain. If that's turns out wrong then we face a catastrophie but so far no-one is claiming the evidence shows that it is wrong and delta has been around for quite a while now.

Given the vaccine works it's still going to be a very rocky road for the NHS just because of the sheer number of cases plus the expected rise in flu/etc. At the higher end forecasts lockdown type measures may be required just to manage the workload. Absent any further lockdowns the peak in cases is expected in August or September.

might as well just close this thread up now. if this doesn't convince, i don't know what will

What do we think of Alex Berenson's latest tweet? Looks like at best vaccines are nowhere near as good as we hoped but still might stop most hospitalizations. At worst they are starting to outright fail after only a few months? Mainstream media and scientists not covering this and acting like everything is fine?!

"The newest Israeli data indicate ~complete vaccine failure on every level. Remember: Israel used only the
@pfizer
mRNA shot and followed Pfizer dosing schedule. This data, from the
@IsraelMOH
telegram account, show nearly all serious cases and deaths are now among the vaccinated."