I loled at this exchange. Its always amazing when random strays walk into this thread and they find out information not to their liking.

You cheer at "low IQ anti-vaxxers dying" so that automatically means you think black people that are unvaccinated (large % of them) are low IQ black people ripe for increased lethality mutation. But you aren't a racist right? You are socially progressive! Without even knowing it you just said a bunch of racist garbage.

It's been 7 months now and large populations of both black and white people are not getting vaccinated. The needle isn't going to move that much more in the next 6 months.

its fake, israelmoh official twitter shows none of that yet their 'telegram account' has these madeup charts. 100 patients hospitalized for covid 19....in all of israel . just pure low iq infowars entertainment junk, dont forget to singup for my substack, buy my book and my supplements on amazon

or better yet, the chart and telegram are real. cases are exploding yet there is only 2 deaths a day and nearly every adult is fully vaccinated and somehow that means the vaccines arent working. just hilarious how brain damaged some people are cant even grasp basic math

Shuffle where is the data you are talking about that shows zero efficacy in vaccinations amongst hospitalizations and deaths.

If we are looking at aggregate data, UK is having massive infection spikes yet deaths haven't caught up compared to the 2nd wave in the winter.

If UK goes another 4 weeks with massive covid infection numbers and still low numbers of deaths your theory that vaccines have no efficacy is debunked.

ye sure black white yellow its all the same too stupid to get vaxxed gamble your health with no upside gg. most of these people will have no choice. anyone who wants to maintain full time employment and health insurance wont be able to remain unvaccinated come jan 2022. people who work part time/ under the table cash only etc will be able to continue but the rest will cave or lose their employment and insurance. only the most hardcore dirty truthers will hold out

We'll know in a few months. But team vaccine is racking up the points on the board so far just from looking at aggregate data.









During winter:
We saw infections began ramping up ~Sept 7.
Deaths began ramping up end up September / beginning of Oct.

Now:
Infections began ramping up June 5.
Deaths aren't ramping up with it.


Vaccines may not prevent infections, but if they prevent deaths and hospitalizations who cares how many people get infected.

I'm confused. So, when people felt sick for 24-48 hours because their immune system was building a response to the mRNA code of the virus, that was not "safe?"

You would characterize those side effects as "unsafe"?

Dont know what are reliable Israel news sources but this is from the Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/just-o...d-under-60-tv/

Also from that link

I agree it's not new. I dont understand the 'wearing off' part of your post

The data I quoted shows you're much much safer if your vaccinated. The only caveat is small sample. There was nothign about wearing off was there?

He's just inventing nonsense he's mentally handicapped

14 of the seriously ill are under 50 and unvaccinated.

Absent a vaccine how many 50+ would you expect when you get 14 under 50?

and for the over 50s: 10 of the 47 are from the 10% of the population who are unvaccinated. That is a bit high but it's showing a vaccine that works and within that the vaccinated group is skewed towards older people. Beyond that we're back to needing raw data (or lots more data) to do further analysis.

I dont know who that person or how they come to that conclusion but what you claim is not in the data I posted.

If ther some claim that booster/modified shots are a good idea then that has being planned in the Uk for a long time. Beyond that I dont get it, sorry.

In France during the start of the second wave in September, 30% were under 40

You would expect way higher numbers than that if the vaccine worked well. Pretty scary numbers

Definite reason for some concern but you would expect far worse if the vaccine didn't work well

Need to see the raw data and, in the absense of that, listen to the people who have rather than the some columist/twitterer. Mostly we have to wait for more data

Always possible.

Maybe but it's not new. UK have been buying up booster shots from more of less the beginning.

Politics is dangerous around these parts but I'm totally in favour of a far more global effort and far more equality (on this and everything). That doesn't change the efficacy of the vaccines.

It's good to see trust in what pfizer says but again booster shots were always in the agenda.

Yes the data is staring me in the face which makes it hard for me to believe in the 'fog'. Nothing has changed afaics and I remain watching/living the Uk gamble with serious concern.

I woke up to freedom day this morning and I couldn't help but think of Joplin singing 'freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'

txs

So Shuffle has seamlessly moved on from Vaccines do zilch to vaccines do work to some extent but wear off and we need boosters.

Something we already all knew regarding Pfizer.

I just want to make this post to thank each and everyone of you for the great work you are doing in this thread. With the delta variant spreading your work in this thread is as important as ever. Keep up the exemplary work! You are all awesome!!!

1: I actually have said zero about MAGA etc, I am from the UK, not my concern. You are confused about who you are talking too, just confused in general due to your in public break down. Hope you have a moment of enough self awareness to seek help. You really need it.


2: No you moved from no help with infection to no effect at all, you cant even remember what you arguing for with full power and vehemence just a day or so ago. You went all in on the deaths/ hospitalisation numbers in the UK equalling those of the last wave and the only reason they have not is because of the wave function. Its all there in black and white.

I don't understand this take given the data:

You would expect 5 of 47 to be from the unvaccinated group if the vaccine didn't work at all.

Instead we have 10 of 47. How would we expect "far worse"? This is almost as bad as it gets for efficacy. Zero efficacy is at 5. 100% efficacy is at 47. We're at 10.

I truly don't understand your take here. Can you explain it?

Yeah we need more data. And no you don't need to "listen to people", when are you going to get through your head that experts have been provably rolled gold dickheads throughout this entire thing?

PM someone you trust and ask them to get you help. You are the point of such breakdown you cant even maintain coherent narrative, this is a massive massive warning sign of a full schizoid break.

We literally spent one and a bit pages arguing about how low deaths in the UK had nothing to do with its high rate of vaccination and now you have no idea it even happened.

Taking numbers of people in hospital with vaccine and covid as a measure of effectiveness is a completely flawed methodology.

To use an extreme example, say we got to 500K cases a day in the UK, but only one person ended up in hospital with the Vid, that person was double jabbed.

Vaccine effectiveness = 0, of course not.

Lord of the Rings has more reality in it than your posts, which are also a triumph of self embarrassment, it wont be long before the word Shuffle replaces the word joke in the dictionary.

Why is it flawed? There are two populations:

1. Background population (unvaccinated) = no vaccine control group
2. Vaccinated population

How is their relative hospitalization "completely flawed" as a measure of vaccine efficacy? How else would you measure efficacy reliably with new strains?