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Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling

04-16-2011 , 12:07 AM
Have any US players been able to do player-to-player transfers?
04-16-2011 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by skunk puddle
The internet porn sites are probably wondering why they are getting so many hits tonight
04-16-2011 , 12:08 AM
04-16-2011 , 12:08 AM
ALL PLAYERS FUNDS ARE SAFE, FYI:


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4758
04-16-2011 , 12:08 AM
First in thread w/ name Frist. That sanctimonious bastid has to be pleased today. UIGEA forced hand of sites to either bail or circumvent laws w/ techniques being charged. Obv everyone knows that, but interesting how it played out 5 years later.
04-16-2011 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
+1
04-16-2011 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyNL
lots of americans still at FTP
Just had a deep cash tonight lol

TBH, kind of saw it coming with Reid being in bed with lobbyists from B&M earlier this year about legislation, and the sites ninjavideo (piracy) and atdhe (sports tv streaming) getting shut down too.

In New Zealand, MPAA has set up a copyright council that can shut off users access to inter for 6 mths via ISP, and sends them messages in the middle of sessions when they "suspect" users have downloaded illegal matgerial.

Last time I read it, I didn see any where that said private corporations could write and execute laws in our Constitution.
04-16-2011 , 12:09 AM
so uh. this sucks. time to drive to the borgata in AC. anyone want to come?
04-16-2011 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
Is Canada affected by this or is it as safe as the rest of the world and will continue to be serviced by PS and FTP?

Edit: lease ends at end of month, so I'm out of this garbage country.
Just trying to find the best destination possible while remaining relatively close to said garbage.
I'm in Canada, and can't log on to either pokerstars or fulltilt....

Not sure if this article has been posted or not, so if I'm reposting, sorry.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4
04-16-2011 , 12:10 AM
Sittin on the A5 potlimit/fixedlimit tables on carbon poker if anyone is bored/tilted enough
04-16-2011 , 12:11 AM
So much for my plan of blowing all my Stars money at the SCOOP...

Blech...
04-16-2011 , 12:11 AM
partypoker: i told u so
04-16-2011 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ferVance
First in thread w/ name Frist. That sanctimonious bastid has to be pleased today. UIGEA forced hand of sites to either bail or circumvent laws w/ techniques being charged. Obv everyone knows that, but interesting how it played out 5 years later.
Awesome job now getting for his kickbacks from casinos while senator at TN. He'll prob be one of the new "regulated" online casino CEOs when poker comes back!
04-16-2011 , 12:12 AM
So long as Full Tilt and Pokerstars don't freak out they will prevail in court. The government has to prove these charges. Legal precedent is not on their side. The govt.'s case seems entirely circumstantial and appears built around the suspicious behavior of the sites interactions with processors.

The government will argue that PS and FT acted suspiciously and thus must have known that their conduct was illegal. That will not hold water in court, however, because FT and PS will attack the heart of the law and argue that online poker simply is not prohibited under any federal statute and therefore their suspicious activities with payment processors is utterly irrelevant.

The government is basically prosecuting a "thought crime" (PS and FT acted as if they knew what they were doing was illegal therefore it "was" illegal"). That is not how our legal system works. Even if you "think" you are committing a crime - no crime is committed if what you did actually was not a crime in the first place.

Yes I am pissed off. Just read the press released by the DOJ and you can see it is a publicity stunt. It actually reads more like an advertisement for future political careers than a serious prosecution of criminal conduct. Yes I play online poker for a good % of my disposable income. Yes I am an attorney. Yes my firm will be defending anyone charged under this bull**** law pro bono.

The FBI and DOJ better be hoping and praying that no terrorist attack or other major crimes hit within the near future or heads will roll (as they should). What a disgrace.
04-16-2011 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga
general opinion seems to be split 50/50. I have such a large percentage of my liferoll on the sites that theres no way i can leave it on there, even tho it's probably +EV.

Just withdraw and hope u get it, after that dont turn back and run!
yea, im in the same spot, going to try and cash it some out via bankwire then
LEERROOOOOOOOOOY JENNNNNNNNNNNNKINSSSSSS :-0
04-16-2011 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AKingdom
Oh that's just great, the play chip tables are gonna become unbeatable now.
Lol
04-16-2011 , 12:13 AM
Canada is safe, online poker is legalized essentially
04-16-2011 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
Had my worst day all year (prob not helped by refreshing this thread all day), but this was a true LOL.

Thank you.
04-16-2011 , 12:13 AM
I tried that trick on the french forum and I still can't access the withdraw/deposit pages.
04-16-2011 , 12:13 AM
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online poker is legalized essentially
???
04-16-2011 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by stay classy SD
Have any US players been able to do player-to-player transfers?
US player accounts completely frozen on Stars but player2player transfers were working on FTP a few hours ago. IMHO it would be wise to transfer any funds on FTP to an international friend before its too late.
04-16-2011 , 12:14 AM
hmm.. i wonder if its still safe to bet on the nba playoffs.
04-16-2011 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Phil Ivey
So long as Full Tilt and Pokerstars don't freak out they will prevail in court. The government has to prove these charges. Legal precedent is not on their side. The govt.'s case seems entirely circumstantial and appears built around the suspicious behavior of the sites interactions with processors.

The government will argue that PS and FT acted suspiciously and thus must have known that their conduct was illegal. That will not hold water in court, however, because FT and PS will attack the heart of the law and argue that online poker simply is not prohibited under any federal statute and therefore their suspicious activities with payment processors is utterly irrelevant.

The government is basically prosecuting a "thought crime" (PS and FT acted as if they knew what they were doing was illegal therefore it "was" illegal"). That is not how our legal system works. Even if you "think" you are committing a crime - no crime is committed if what you did actually was not a crime in the first place.

Yes I am pissed off. Just read the press released by the DOJ and you can see it is a publicity stunt. It actually reads more like an advertisement for future political careers than a serious prosecution of criminal conduct. Yes I play online poker for a good % of my disposable income. Yes I am an attorney. Yes my firm will be defending anyone charged under this bull**** law pro bono.

The FBI and DOJ better be hoping and praying that no terrorist attack or other major crimes hit within the near future or heads will roll (as they should). What a disgrace.
I'm a lawyer, and this may be the dumbest post I've ever seen. Pretty sure you don't need to be a lawyer to recognize that, but just saying.
04-16-2011 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Phil Ivey
So long as Full Tilt and Pokerstars don't freak out they will prevail in court. The government has to prove these charges. Legal precedent is not on their side. The govt.'s case seems entirely circumstantial and appears built around the suspicious behavior of the sites interactions with processors.

The government will argue that PS and FT acted suspiciously and thus must have known that their conduct was illegal. That will not hold water in court, however, because FT and PS will attack the heart of the law and argue that online poker simply is not prohibited under any federal statute and therefore their suspicious activities with payment processors is utterly irrelevant.

The government is basically prosecuting a "thought crime" (PS and FT acted as if they knew what they were doing was illegal therefore it "was" illegal"). That is not how our legal system works. Even if you "think" you are committing a crime - no crime is committed if what you did actually was not a crime in the first place.

Yes I am pissed off. Just read the press released by the DOJ and you can see it is a publicity stunt. It actually reads more like an advertisement for future political careers than a serious prosecution of criminal conduct. Yes I play online poker for a good % of my disposable income. Yes I am an attorney. Yes my firm will be defending anyone charged under this bull**** law pro bono.

The FBI and DOJ better be hoping and praying that terrorist attack or other major crimes hit within the near future or heads will roll (as they should). What a disgrace.
I hope that you are right, but this is wishful thinking, and it will take years to play out in court. Lying to banks for the purpose of obfuscating the source of funds is a pretty clear violation of money laundering laws.
04-16-2011 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by skunk puddle
The internet porn sites are probably wondering why they are getting so many hits tonight
LOL

      
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