I got my $297 out fine

if you do a chargeback you prettymuch forfeit any profit in your poker account though, and they will freeze your poker account once they see they got a chargeback too.

Better the $$ you spent in your Hand than Double that in theirs for their Lawyers & the Feds

News Flash they have Frozen Out US Players due to Criminal Indictment so don't worry about that

And you can go back 5 Years for every Deposit you made that way...

Some people are reporting that they are getting their money out fine via regular request seems to be small amounts a few hundred dollars at most but hey if your stuck and that ain't working and you want out now Charge Backs pretty much your only option.

For Players (the majority) that have lost $$ thats a good way for them to get their $$ back.

You guys should together invest in some really good lawyer who represents your views.
Some of you have earned some serious money through poker.

Get a lawyer who fights for your right to play online poker.

What is the PPA doing anyways? did they ever started something in court?

Poker will probably be Legalized well before the Case vs these Sites' are finally decided!

The Companies themselves seem to be Offshore with not much Assets in the US, the $$ already frozen.

The Case probably take 5-10+++ years (e.g., Exon Spill Litigation)...

Possible Supreme Court Hearing on Poker Playing Freedom if Poker not legislated either Federally or by most States soon...

Cost freaking an arm & a leg for a Good Blood Sucking Lawyer(s)

The Pro's are mostly Sponsored Spokesmen/women aka shills not much legal grounds for chasing them and a lot of them especially the US ones will have their $$ tied up / frozen in those same accounts.

With the possible exception of Howard & Jesus who seem to have ownership in the actual legal entity / company Pocket Kings and/or Tiltware, and they are VERY SILENT it's going to be tough.

Furthermore if these two are as sharp as they seem they will have protected themselves as much as possible AND/or are probably trying to work some DEAL for themselves or FT WITH the FEDS right NOW!

In fact the SOONER they work out some sort of Deal the Better for the Poker Industry & Players!!!

O.k i just listened to this weeks pokercast.With the lawyer todd terry.Mike and adam asked basically what options do the average american online poker players have now that stars and tilt have closed up shop.
His anwser.
1)quit
2)move
3)Play live

O.k heres what i missed.They totaly dismissed the notion that thier are american players heading to Bodog,Carbon poker ect right now and thier already back up and playing.

Ok here is how this works...

Other Offshore sites will take the Players $$$ and Play, just like FT & Stars did when Party left Town/USA

Just like Drug Dealers & the War on Drugs prohibition does not work...

BUT it's great for BOTH Big Business (Land Based Casinos in the US) & Law Enforcement to increase their Budgets/Take .

And Just like Drug Dealers theres always another to take the place of the ones that get caught so...

I guess i just dont understand how they just dismissed online poker as being "gone" in the usa?

me too, and sad.

really, really glad ur here to tell us how this works

It ain't don't listen to Lawyers they don't know Jack's from 7-2 or the business of Online Gaming

Right now there are many Offshore options for US Players, Bodog, sportsbook.com etc etc etc

Check major Affiliate sites for US Facing Rooms like pokernews.com, pokerlistings.com (they just bought their own network), pokerroomreview.com (run by Biggie), etc etc etc

By the way of you are going to Deposit use a Credit Card that way you have some recourse do not use Western Union or give your Bank / Checking Account out, especially to Offshore Companies.

If they get shut down in the future (they have not been so far) there will be 10 others to take their place...

and the money in your account gets seized each time they get shut down? ok

Yes that's why you should never LEAVE your Bank Roll at any site, because they could go Broke and/or Get Indicted.

The point being for those that accept the risk + want to play Poker and/or play on a regular basis there are options.

For the timid No Balls (maybe should not be playing Poker anyways) scared little boys stay at home with mommy

What could you possibly say for a years worth of charge backs? I mean it makes sense..but i'm not sure how you can justify all of a sudden saying you want that money back and why...

For those that don't know...

If you have used a Credit Card to fund either your e-wallet and/or your Poker Account...

You can ask your Bank / Credit Card Issuer for a CHARGE BACK...Give a reasonable reason...

This is good for transactions going back up to 5 Years! Have the Transaction Details ready...

This doe NOT apply to funds directly via your Checking Account or Bank Account(s) or WU.

pretty sure you only have 60 days to dispute a charge... might be different in canada i guess

Give a reasonable reason...and what could that be?

Some things maybe a little different in Canada like better Beer & bigger Moose...

And PLAYING ON ANY F******* Poker Room we want to ...sorry had to get that in...

Depends on your Issuer & State Laws..

...but in most cases of Charge Backs, that I have seen, the Charge Backs go back up to 5 Years.

Anyway it never hurts to call your Card issuer to check...

Details...

*** As always your specific State Law / Situation may be different, CHECK with your Bank or local Regulator

Be aware that many customer service representatives are not familiar with claims and defenses. Some representatives have denied valid claims and defenses which otherwise meet all of the requirements on grounds that the letter was not received within 60 days, or that the merchant has filed for bankruptcy, or that the merchant bank refuses to pay back the card issuing bank because the time limits regulating dealings between the banks under Visa or MasterCard regulations have expired. None of these are proper or legal grounds for denying a valid claim for a chargeback under your "claims and defenses" rights.

If you are writing your letter to the bank more than 60 days after the charge you are disputing first showed up on your credit card bill, you may want to clearly explain that you are asserting your "claims and defenses" rights under state and federal law, which, unlike "billing error" rights, are not limited to being asserted within the 60 day time frame.

In the event your bank denies your request and you believe that you have satisfied all of the required conditions, you can file or make a complaint with the Attorney General's Office website.

Thank you.i mean it seams like all ive been hearing about for days now is show's over show's over no more poker..However when i talk to the other poker site's CS that are still serving us. Thier like..Show aint over come on aboard.
And i totaly agree with you.Knowing what we know now if you were to keep anything more than a few buy ins on any given site it would be foolish.And the money i could perhaps earn certainly outways the risk of losing a handfull of buy ins should the worst case scenario occur.

I think all of these sites AP/PS/FT all do want to get the money owed into the hands of the US players due to the fact that they still have clients across the world that they have to uphold a legit reputation for. If they don't return our money won't others from around the world want out thinking they will never get their money either?

Does anyone know if doing the redownload from ftp.co.uk allow US players to access the promotions web page?

I cashed out on Full tilt approximately 2 weeks ago and just received it yesterday. I went to the bank today to cash it and the bank told me that they put a 10 day hold on it to make sure it was valid. What are the chances I will get my money? Help please

bout 50/50

(1) Lucky You...

(2) If it does go through well LUCKY YOU...

(3) If it does get processed after the hold time of 10 days and u get the $$

(4) Buy a Powerball Ticket...Cause You may just Win...even @ 100 million to 1

Greg Raymer on Fox News...

In addition US Land based Casino's are getting ready to go on-line with the Federal & some (NV & NJ) State Governments getting ready to LEGALIZE POKER.

This gives both the States & Land Based Casino's who are about to launch on-line a easier market to sign up players & make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.


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