You're right. Howard and Co, it's time to talk. We demand answers.

These guys are sooo gunna throw Bitard under the proverbial bus.

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In before 30,000 posts and still no money

Haha he is the most social player in the world

Confirmed.

I bet the word "SOURCE" is the most popular out of them

Plz.

When I called people out on next week and source? It was badly needed in this thread.

Agreed, Noah is the bomb....literally.

If Ivey got 40M that wasnt his how come he isnt sued by the DOJ like the rest? I dont get it.

Probably because he was not one of the directors. It is like his buddies Howard, Chris and Ray took all the risk stealing players' money then gave to him for free. All you can say is this guy runs good in life just like all other non-director owners such as Seidel and Juanda .

oh my!!...didn't you read the previous 29,144 posts?

Usually only officers and directors are legally liable. Simple shareholders (no matter how big like Ivey) are usually safe from action legal or civil. There are likely a few exceptions. The money from the shareholders may or may not be recoverable. Sound informed opinion has varied here on the thread about that. Most agree that it would be very costly and time consuming at best.

My mom always said "You'll go blind if you keep bothering yourself".

I asked could I keep going just until I needed glasses.

THIS

With any luck he will have a death grip on them and they will go under too.

Every owner that received dividends and hasn't offered to pay it back is a scumbag and that includes Ivey. Doesn't matter if they didn't have any knowing or influence in the management of the company. Those dividends were paid with money that wasn't theirs, but our money. And you can say it is normal that they keep it you would do the same. NO IT IS NOT NORMAL.
If somebody gives me 10k and later his wife comes to me and says that he has Alzheimer, then I give the money back, or if his neighbour comes to me and says that he stole that money of him, then i give it back.
That is normal decent behaviour,
apparently hard to find in those circles.

Any rough guesses how much of a % that was in relation to $450 million?

I know that Gus Hansen was paid $25k just for showing up to the FTP Espana final in Dec 2009. Not a bad ROI for a €3k tournament imo

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the higher level pros were completely freerolling their entire live schedules on FTP's dime, even non-televised events.

Bolded wouldn't surprise me at all. A friend of mine was a red pro on tilt, mind you not a Team Full Tilt pro just a regular red pro, and he got put into many events by FT. If he didn't cash he owed them nothing as long as he was wearing a FT patch while playing in the event.

This part of poker has always intrigued me in a "wait, they're just hustling everyone!" kind of way.

For a lot of recreational players, poker sells "the dream" - the idea that they can take a few bucks, and with a little skill and a little luck, they can run it up, end up in the WSOP, and become a millionaire.

But the reality of the situation is that most of the big name pros that are held up as being able to turn poker skill into millions got there by winning one tournament and getting on the poker gravy train of sponsorship deals and freerolling tournaments, selling 90% of themselves to buy in to events, falling into money elsewhere first, etc. etc.

There are definitely a few "self made" pros, and I'm not sayng that doing things like selling a piece of yourself or getting a sponsorship deal is wrong or immoral, it's just... when it comes to the way poker is portrayed to the average home viewer, what you see is definitely not what you get.

If anything, it saddens me a bit that with Black Friday and the explosion of FTP and UB, the desire to sign name pros and pay them ridiculous amounts of money seems to be fading, so I likely missed any chance to board the gravy train myself.

Well, basically, the people who are owed money from Full Tilt got PLAYED like suckers again. What a coincidence that the moment the Tapie deal was about to be announced as falling through, Full Tilt flunkies put the full court rumor mill to work so that they could at least play the WSOP without being shot.

Just another scam from them. They knew the Tapie deal was dead, and right before it was announced, they came with their nonsense rumors about Poker Stars being the savoir. Of course, shortly thereafter 2+2 goes down for a few weeks, but that is probably unrelated, but who knows.

The bottom line is that there is a very close to ZERO chance that you guys ever see a penny. Guess what? It has been 14 months since your world changed forever, and yet you continue to let those involved off the hook. In addition, those who owe money like Erick Lindgren can continue to play forever by just saying that they are backed.

Guys like Barry Greenstein continue to play while owing 400K, and it is as if it is no big deal. Wake up, people. Figure it out. The name of the game is to take your money.

And as has been show by UB, AP, FTP, and others, the bolded has been show to apply to depositing real money on poker sites, as well.

it's time for these people to speak the **** up.

SOMEONE (PS/FTP/DoJ) needs to say SOMETHING.

This has gone way passed FUBAR, they can't just sit around for another 4 months without saying ANYTHING can they?