+1 the biggest issue i find at my live games is the software being missed

Probably nothing, the .com page shows this :





As it was before the shutdown occurred?

wow 46 thousand players are online!!!

Think of it as scrolling through trolling and logrolling.

Those guys are really patient

Well we already know from the Tapei details that ~95% of all FTP players had less than $100 in their account. Nobody cares that much about this situation of the only lost a benjamin.

That is the hilarious counter to the idiots that think the FTP brand is completely dead. Hardly any of the recreational players know what is going on. If FTP comes back, so will they without a care in the world. And the ENTIRE poker world will follow them because that's where the money is.

Meh, just move on check it 1 time a week or so..... you'll know when something hit bc the traffic will be as big as it was on black friday.

I smile every time I see a huskermonkey post.

I smile when you post *brownnose*

Deleted a stupid derail about one poster's use of smiley faces.

It is completely insignificant that a poster likes to put a smiley at the end of his posts. If you can't handle that, you probably should stay away from the Internet.

It is completely ridiculous to attack him for that. Grow up.

Do those who have actual sources that claimed this would be done "soon" have any update on what that actually means? It initially sounded as if this round would likely be much shorter than the last, is that still the prognosis?

If someone says that it will be done soon, that presupposes that it will definitely be done at some point. If it were certain that it would be done at some point, then it would already be done and you'd already know about it. People don't just sit around and go "Well, obviously there are absolutely no things left to worry about with this nine or ten figure deal, but we're gonna wait around a while to finish it and announce it for some reason."

You can pretty much completely discount anyone who gives a definitive time-frame on how long negotiations take. You figure out how long negotiations take when they end, and you figure out whether they're successful when they end as well.

The only minor exception is if we get to the point where the deal is done but needs to be rubber stamped. But, given the extreme complexity of this case, I don't think any step is really trivial enough to count as a rubber stamp.

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So how about a rough estimate on when the negotiations will end then?
1 month, a year? I got no idea of any timeframe regarding this, thats all.
Now cue the "it will be ready, when its ready" posts...

Did you read Noahs post above?

We are poker players.

You can assign probabilities to various outcomes and timeframes!

Yeah, and thats what inspired me to ask the question. I am not asking for a definitive time-frame, just an estimation.
Or guess-timation if you will.

i think he was asking more like when will we hear any concrete news relating to the progress of what's going on rather than an exact "on this date the deal is done and you'll get your money". There's really been no first hand news on this deal so even though trustworthy posters such as yourself have confirmed its happening it still feels like we're completely in the dark.

Well that is strange, because he signified he had no idea of a timeframe, and then you asked him for a timeframe...

Had I only 1 minute with Bitar and co, I promise you they would sing like a bird.
First they steal my money and ruine a billion dollar company and then thay say it is bad business to keep me informed of any negotiations.

For coming announcement forever next week..but don't you worry next week will always be there!!

After the new nova theme on stars has reminded me of FTP, stars software is great but it's not FTP great!

yeah i have put the new nova theme also, its almost like playing at ftp now

That's because we are more-or-less completely in the dark. All we know is that (1) Stars/DOJ/FTP are in talks about a deal that could end in Stars owning FTP and us getting repaid, and (2) they don't want to talk about it right now.

It's not surprising that they don't want to talk about it--negotiating in public is stupid, as is announcing unfinished deals--though it obviously sucks for players.

Though the actual people involved in negotiations doubtless have lots of thoughts on the issue, I'd be very very surprised if they had a clear and accurate timeline for the negotiation of a gigantic, complicated deal between three parties, including the US Department of Justice, at least two men that they've indicted, and two groups of companies that they're suing. (One of the frustrations of reporting the GBT deal was that many of the people involved would very frequently tell me/Diamond very short timelines, and they were of course always wrong--and not surprisingly so.)

So, while I'm sure the people in this thread would love to have an open and honest conversation with the actual people negotiating this deal, they wouldn't get what they actually want out of that.

Thanks for your realism Noah.

The AGCC was created by a government. Pretty much all of the the online poker regulating bodies were created by governments. What those governments seem to have in common is control of a small territory with little local industry or natural resources, few actual online poker players in their jurisdiction, and a desire to promote local economic development through e-commerce. In short, the government has every motivation to create a regulatory environment friendly to the sites and little direct reason to effectively protect players.

Perhaps what you meant to say is that it is time that governments regulated for the purpose of protecting players, not promoting business. This would seem to require the regulation to be done by the government where the players are located.