So much misdirected anger ITT. While it's probably true that some are profiting from this, neither SubjectPoker.com nor DiamondFlushPoker.com have ads.

The real anger should be directed at Bitar, Lederer, et al. It's right to be angry. Just focus that anger on the right people.

So, I don't really spend much time in NVG, or this thread for that matter. I've skimmed some of the recent posts, but don't have time to read everything. I know that nobody really knows anything for certain, but does anyone know a good time frame for when we get paid and/or when poker would open up in the US? Again, sorry if these questions and/or answers have already been posted.

Oh AJ

I'm sick of being taken to Disney World and then being left outside to wait for something to happen.....

haha, I probably should just tweet at Ka.ra.k, he has inside sources.

So what does this mean? that it might well be another year until we may or may not see our money and have any certainity on this matter?
or is it about the charges against stars and Isai because they operated in the US?

[QUOTE=Noisecore;33033734]So what does this mean? that it might well be another year until we may or may not see our money and have any certainity on this matter?

Maybe. Perhaps. Possibly, but not likely. It doesn't actually mean anything *specific* with regard to ultimate certainty on the matter, because the scheduling order has very little relevance to the final answer to the quetion of whether or not players see their money.

Yes.

As a guy who has taught many students in creative writing I can confirm that natural talent certainly does exist.

Beyond that, college level classes help, but not as much as actual experience. Even saying this as a former teacher, most people could probably get better at writing spending a year reading good books and writing a ton, than they could spending that same year in a creative writing or journalism class.

I think I may have said before that its more procedural than anything else. It also allows for a "deal" to be completed in the near future without additional deadlines to be extended.
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Sooo what happened to Stars buying FTP again?

It takes a while to negotiate a upper 9 figure deal involving multiple parties. Go figure.

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are we getting closer ?

My suspicion has always been a lot of these suspect claims and sources tie back to people related to FTP. I personally wouldn't accept anything anyone related to FTP had to say because they have never really been inside these deals. They don't have any real say or contribution.

When it seemed like Tapie was negotiating with FTP that turned out to not really be the case. FTP is not really in a position to negotiate and it is highly unlikely they are involved in any substantive way.

My conspiracy brain would say FTP keeps trying to convince people something is coming and they have not drained the lobster fund. I really would live to see/hear how what and why any of the FTP related bysinesses have spent in the last 12+ months.

Been like taht for awhile.... don't think too much into things. If I don't say it.... I promise you someone else would have.

I just... miss FTP... so much...

Not quite true.

May companies make bad business decisions, FT allowed people to play without cleared funds most likely in the hope they would be able to get them to clear. Stupid but not fatal.

I am definitely not sympathetic to Bitar and co, however, this situation could have been resolved by an injection of capital. This happens quite regularly in business.

Once a) the FTP bank accounts were seized and b) they were under indictment by the DoJ the situation became far more difficult.

I will be very happy [and 2k richer] if Stars buy FT, but I strongly suspect [I have no source] that they are gaming the DoJ to prevent anyone from resurrecting FT and putting the final nail in their strongest competitor.

They have already shut out Tapie. And they could pull the plug at any time due to the complexity of the transaction.

Even if you believe all this, it was incredibly scummy to continue to accept deposits after Black Friday from the ROW when they knew they were going to face a huge run on the bank and didn't have anywhere close to enough money to cover it all. For me, any benefit of the doubt they might have had went up in smoke after that, they're scumbags, plan and simple.

Definitely a possibility, I really hope that's not the case though. It would be disgusting if they screwed over the Tapie deal and destroyed any chance of players being refunded just to further their poker empire. They were already the biggest/most popular site and while any business is obviously just trying to make money, this would just be a greedy and scummy move on their part. So let's hope they do the 'right thing' (maybe a selfish view on my part) and get FTP back up and running.

Here we are, broke again. Turned 12 dollar in 11k and back to zero again on PS. Cashed out a little to pay some bills and I didn't have to follow this thread for 5 weeks, so it was not totally worthless.

I only took a peek here last 5 weeks and read their was some concern about jobvacancies being terminated. What about this idea:

PS buys FTP and liquidates it right away, players will be able to transfer their FTPmoney to their PSaccount or to their new PSaccount if they don't have one. This way they eliminate the competition if somebody else would buy FTP and they dont have the operating costs of another site which would for a big part draw players who normally play on PS anyway.

#whenwillitend

This would also explain why they waited until the Tapie was almost done [the exclusivity period ended sometime before this].

And also explain why Stars hasn't made an announcement. Obviously, by not announcing, they would not need to make another announcement if they terminate.

IMO a comment along the lines of our discussions with the DoJ now include FT by Stars would not violate any non disclosure or confidentiality.

This is just a theory and it could all be good.

But it would also be good if any of the many rumor spreaders were actual people not just anonymous bloggers/amateur journalists [no offence intended to DF who writes very well] and actually had real sources.

#bankrollmanagement

AT LEAST U CAN STILL PLAY ON STARS

Isn't it ironic that in countries like Russia and China (countries the US used to criticize about freedom and human rights) you can play online poker and not in the USA.