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05-19-2012 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by coolnout
I'm confused when did Chinamaniac suddenly become a beacon of knowledge on the FTP deal? hasn't he been trolling this thread for months with references to Scott Matusow.
He has def approached this last debacle differently than previous times and come across more legit.

That being said, I remain staunch in the fact that Dan Druff is still a whiny nerd and just looooooooooooool at Scott Matusow.
05-19-2012 , 05:59 AM
All the specifics of the deal (amount, for what, how far along the road it is) is all rumor, but it has been verified by at least a dozen sources independently that PokerStars are in advanced stages of talks with the DOJ to buy Full Tilt. And not just from the usual places who are regurgitating a rumor (i.e. the people who are going around reporting what chinamaniac is saying and claiming it as their own "sources").

But rather its people like ZBThorton, the chiligaming CEO, the guys at wickedchops, gaming intelligence, EGR, and my site (fwiw). In addition, Diamond Flush has confirmed another suitor is an advanced talks and knew who it was (but fell short of saying pokerstars), GBT said they were aware of another suitor, FTP lawyers are 'more confident than ever', and two weeks on there has been no denial from PokerStars.

Until one of the three parties actually confirms it, I don't really see what "more solid evidence" you could want really.
05-19-2012 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
Pokerati Dan doesn't have any sources, he's just doing the "this doesn't seem possible" thing and taking a firm stance on it. He could be right, but it's just because he's made a good guess rather than because he has any good info on the situation. FWIW, I listen to DD a lot and while Dan has some interesting news/information usually, I find myself shaking my head at his "analysis" of something at least a couple of times during his segment. For instance, during the last show, they were discussing the fact that a bunch of bitcoins were stolen from an bitcoin bank, and he said something to the effect of "doesn't that change the value of the currency, cause now there's less bitcoins?". He pretty says at least one thing that idiotic per episode which means I don't take his "analysis" of anything too seriously usually.
The bolded is the dumbest part about this whole saga. Anyone can guess and have a chance of being right as it is either FTP is being bought...or they're not.

If Stars are serious about purchasing FTP then they will, and essentially it would be a done deal. They are not in the habit of messing around as history has shown us.

Or......Stars are not purchasing FTP and were firetrucked.

2 outcomes, how hard is it to guess

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hood
All the specifics of the deal (amount, for what, how far along the road it is) is all rumor, but it has been verified by at least a dozen sources independently that PokerStars are in advanced stages of talks with the DOJ to buy Full Tilt. And not just from the usual places who are regurgitating a rumor (i.e. the people who are going around reporting what chinamaniac is saying and claiming it as their own "sources").

But rather its people like ZBThorton, the chiligaming CEO, the guys at wickedchops, gaming intelligence, EGR, and my site (fwiw). In addition, Diamond Flush has confirmed another suitor is an advanced talks and knew who it was (but fell short of saying pokerstars), GBT said they were aware of another suitor, FTP lawyers are 'more confident than ever', and two weeks on there has been no denial from PokerStars.

Until one of the three parties actually confirms it, I don't really see what "more solid evidence" you could want really.
Winnar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This one post should be the entire thread...lock it up son.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 05-19-2012 at 09:59 AM.
05-19-2012 , 06:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hood
All the specifics of the deal (amount, for what, how far along the road it is) is all rumor, but it has been verified by at least a dozen sources independently that PokerStars are in advanced stages of talks with the DOJ to buy Full Tilt. And not just from the usual places who are regurgitating a rumor (i.e. the people who are going around reporting what chinamaniac is saying and claiming it as their own "sources").

But rather its people like ZBThorton, the chiligaming CEO, the guys at wickedchops, gaming intelligence, EGR, and my site (fwiw). In addition, Diamond Flush has confirmed another suitor is an advanced talks and knew who it was (but fell short of saying pokerstars), GBT said they were aware of another suitor, FTP lawyers are 'more confident than ever', and two weeks on there has been no denial from PokerStars.

Until one of the three parties actually confirms it, I don't really see what "more solid evidence" you could want really.
You're right. I suppose I've become so jaded by what has transpired so far that my brain is having a hard time accepting good news (potentially).
05-19-2012 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Davidian
with its non information communication policy Stars looses all its trustability.

we should all instantly stop playing until we get a clear statement and this industry takes responsibility to pay out its customers!

R.I.P. online Poker!
Silliest post of the day (not an easy feat)!
Perfect example of "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
05-19-2012 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by flight2q
This is quite possibly inaccurate. But if it is, I expect PokerStars to decide they don't really need Spain's business.
If they have a tax problem with Spain, they can't just ignore it; it impacts on their ability to do business anywhere in the EU.
05-19-2012 , 09:31 AM
If the article is accurate, they don't have a tax problem, they have a licensing problem.
05-19-2012 , 11:55 AM
OK cliffs on wtf is going on in the last 5 pages or so?

more china fighting?

radio show??

spain says PS owes tax?


Spain is in deep **** anyway, why is anyone shocked that they are claiming PS owes them taxes?
05-19-2012 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by aggo
OK cliffs on wtf is going on in the last 5 pages or so?

more china fighting?

radio show??

spain says PS owes tax?


Spain is in deep **** anyway, why is anyone shocked that they are claiming PS owes them taxes?

Try this
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/search.php
05-19-2012 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gioco
If they have a tax problem with Spain, they can't just ignore it; it impacts on their ability to do business anywhere in the EU.
They are not going to ignore it but that doesn't mean they are going to pay what Spain is asking.
05-19-2012 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
Lol, Nice....
05-19-2012 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by flight2q
This is quite possibly inaccurate. But if it is, I expect PokerStars to decide they don't really need Spain's business.
How big is the Spanish market? Is it really worth paying over 250 mil to get back in on it?
05-19-2012 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FDSaussure
How big is the Spanish market? Is it really worth paying over 250 mil to get back in on it?
I doubt it. Whole Spain is about 250 mil worth now.
05-19-2012 , 01:24 PM
I just pray to heaven above that pokerstars doesnt use its "random card generator" on full tilt poker. Full tilt should be left alone, as its own entity.
05-19-2012 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DePokerGod
I just pray to heaven above that pokerstars doesnt use its "random card generator" on full tilt poker. Full tilt should be left alone, as its own entity.
well said buddy
05-19-2012 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by oneonth3run
So Dan Michalski of Pokerati ("Pokerati Dan") says "There isn't a chance in hell" the Stars deal goes through if it even exists. He seems to have decent sources. Does this count for anything?
Haven't there been reports that FTP employees have been told that the Stars deal is going through?

Not that it proves that it's a lock to happen, but that it is evidence that the deal does exist.
05-19-2012 , 01:44 PM
why www.fulltiltpoker.eu - not working today?
05-19-2012 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Aruniux
why www.fulltiltpoker.eu - not working today?
they can't even pay for the webspace anymore, last dollar spend for lobster.

GAME OVER
05-19-2012 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Aruniux
why www.fulltiltpoker.eu - not working today?
It wasn't working yesterday eitehr.... but according to some people on this forum, it doesn't mean anything.
05-19-2012 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DePokerGod
I just pray to heaven above that pokerstars doesnt use its "random card generator" on full tilt poker. Full tilt should be left alone, as its own entity.
+1

My experience with PS is "WE CAN'T".
Can't swear, can't speak your own language.
Last year I wanted to increase my transfer limits. They wanted me to fill in papers and make copys of all kind of things. Still haven't done that.
I once emailed them if it was possible to cashout to neteller instead of cashing out to my last depositmethod. They replied "No, no, no, not possible, bla, bla ,bla, can't do, noooo". I emailed them back and said that I paid more than 50k in rake last year so is it too much to ask to do this for me.
"No, no no can't do......... befehl ist befehl".

And then, Full tilt poker.
Last year i won a Ftops-tournament and then you also get a Ftops-jacket. But I was not certain about the size because I am tall and thin. So I emailed them if they had any suggestions. I got a nice email back from the store saying that she had a colleage of her with the same build as mine fit some jackets and she adviced me to take the XLL.
Well, I am still waiting on that jacket but the people who worked at FTP did treat you much better than those of PS.
05-19-2012 , 02:12 PM
Well that settles it for me, yup players definitely got treated better by FTP than PS. Evidence is evidence! Thanks!
Hope things get settled soon and well for all stiffed players USA and ROW!
05-19-2012 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by djle2
I don't understand all the people who are saying they were dependent on poker for a living and didn't have any work experience didn't just move out of country or get a crap job?

Yeah I get it isn't the easiest thing to do but with all the complaints being mentioned; it's a hell of a lot better than your current situation.
most people that had to DID get crap jobs. there are also people with families. hard to support a family with a crap job
05-19-2012 , 02:14 PM
Lol, I think the least they could do is give good customer service after they ass raped us of our funds....
05-19-2012 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bene Gesserit
Well that settles it for me, yup players definitely got treated better by FTP than PS. Evidence is evidence! Thanks!
Hope things get settled soon and well for all stiffed players USA and ROW!
Sure, you are one of those, the sweet girl in the FTP-store should be hanged too.
05-19-2012 , 02:37 PM
tracert fulltilt.com gives a different result, compaired to what it normally shows..

a week back or so, the tracert ended with: 98-20.colo.sta.blacknight.ie [91.211.98.20]

and now its:

12 47 ms 47 ms 48 ms 0.xe-0-0-0.rt1.lthn.continent8.com [78.24.208.13]

" 13 145 ms 145 ms 144 ms 0.so-0-0-2.cr2.kdca.continent8.com [66.212.224.7
4]
14 145 ms 146 ms 148 ms t13-2.dr1.kdca.mohawk.ca [66.212.224.170]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out."

      
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