I don't think the WSOP has any bearing on the decision whatsoever. 99% of online players will never play a WSOP tournament so why should it be an important factor at all?

They will announce it whenever they are ready to sign the papers, if ever. The DOJ isn't going to plan their settlement schedule around a poker tournament

for all u conspirators i was on the .com page an hour ago and it was completely blank white page. one hour later the doj page back. definitely someone tinkering with something...

man what a silly turnaround it would be if DOJ declined "crappy yes, but at least something" deal by GBT, just to get Stars to think about their new deal and cancel it.
so sick of this drama

Just saying, the deal could be done.... and they wanted to make an announcement when everything sort of calmed down after the SCOOP, when things sort of calmed down after the news broke and it was still in the early stages of trying to be completed, and before the WSOP starts. Just saying.... just my thoughts....

getting the same thing now. Hopefully it's something good! That would be nice if they were trying to get that DOJ info on that page huh?

this is my thoughts 100%.... but thats why i'm pretty confident the stars deal will be completed... i mean the DoJ wouldn't just say FU to GBT w/o being pretty confident in stars... not to mention stars has a pretty good track record of getting **** done the right way.

If the WSOP factored in at all to Stars' timeline they would have gotten things done long enough in advance that people could get paid out to use their money to play WSOP events so Stars could jump in and sponsor players left and right. As another poster said, the DOJ isn't considering the WSOP at all with this situation.

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I agree with the rest but not this. I don't believe the DOJ was going to just settle with the extremely crappy deal that GBT was proposing. The DOJ called FTP a ponzi scheme and while that can be argued, the deal GBT had on the table was basically just that, offering little to nothing up front, then using future player rake to pay off debts.

I know there's a lot of people who don't care who gets it done as long as they get their money, but I can't imagine what 2+2 would look like if GBT's "everyone gets $100 then waits 1-5 years for the rest" deal went through.

you can no longer download the FTP software from their site.. just says help center is down for maintenance.. i downloaded the latest software a few days ago so this page is new

And how many times are you simply going to accuse them of nothing but criminal acts? I don't speak out of ignorance, I had to skate on thin ice myself, but I knew to be careful. Their actions speak more to stupidity, ignorance and desperation than a planned criminality. How were they supposed to get away w/ simply stealing money? And many of those that got money likely had no idea whatsoever that it wasn't legit. I've used Allen Cunningham consistently. Do you consider him a criminal? What they ended up doing may have been criminal but I can't bring myself to believe that they set up the entire enterprise from the beginning planning on robbing the players. Here's an interview w/ Bitar that I found:

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2005/0...o-tiltware.htm

An equities trader. Obv I think the founders picked a poor choice to be the chief operating officer of the company. Compare FTP to Stars: One w/ a real business experienced leader and one w/o and pro poker players on the board. In the poker community they were respected because they were successful poker players, not bec they were great business persons.

Everything they did was traceable and documented w/i the company's records. They didn't keep 2 sets of books (due diligence by multiple parties should've turned that up by now). They didn't have a cushion and apparently no contingency plans. Their greatest blunder, imo, was a lack of ability to understand the implications of the trend lines and the inability to pull the plug when they should have. Compare again to Stars: They cut off the non-working deposit option, had a wider player base, and while we can't look into their books I think it safe to say that they didn't make distributions beyond what was reasonable and sustainable. I hope that you get my point which is that those ppl had no business running a business that was operating on the edge post UIGEA.

Desperation, pure and simple. They were already buried and a last ditch effort to survive. In the hole for hundreds of millions, no way out, 'we'll take one last shot' mentality.

You wouldn't invest w/ somebody who claimed to be very smart and educated just on their word. Would you invest your entire net worth under the direction of Stephen Hawking w/o checking his record? Yet many entrusted them w/ great sums. Why? Because we thought that they had a gold mine despite what we knew or should have known of the dangers. Post UIGEA the banhammer was going to drop sooner or later w/o a doubt. Nobody saw their financials, all they ever did was proclaim that player's money was safe. Their words, no proof. If they were criminals then at least call us suckers.

Big deal. He was on top of the world at the time. And too stupid to know his world was built on quicksand.



I can understand his outrage. He thinks we are being played. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see.

NO KIDDING! I think everyone would much rather a wait a few more months, than years to get their money back and wait to see what happens with this PS whole ordeal.

hmm.... something else here.... you can't ping any of the FTP sites, you could last week.... and yeah you can't even attempt to download the software.

I have inside information.

My guts tell me the Stars deal will be completed soon.

^^^^ ban your guts if wrong imo.

According to Tapie, DOJ seemed to approve Tapie's proposal at first then changed mind at the 11th hour. Otherwise you can't explain why Tapie waste so much time and money on the deal if they knew their payment plans wont fly with DOJ. They are not fools.

Your guts are probably a more reliable source than that fraud china man.

Yeah that's what I'd say too if my ploy didn't work and I wanted to direct the blame to someone else. Just like how I'd make it public that big name pros owe money, so I can set up a blame deflect there as well.

If you haven't, I suggest you read DF's article about Tapie's proposed deals. It wasn't just one deal that he was working on that got shot down. It was much more than that.

as long as your name isn't Todd Hoffman

If everyone put the pressure where it belonged from the beginning we would probably have had a resolution by now. I still say they found ways to stall all this time. After all we still haven't even received a confirmation that poker stars is even working on a deal. Diamond flush herself still hasn't confirmed its actually stars. Why is that ? She will only say someone but not who.

Of course, but if you're going to get so defensive every time somebody questions your opinions, you should save yourself the trouble and not post every single mini-light bulb moment you have.

I don't get mad.... just defend them like everyone else does on a forum

When did I ever say anyone wasn't moving on with their lives??