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FTP Discussion Thread (Everything but big new news goes here. Cliffs in OP) FTP Discussion Thread (Everything but big new news goes here. Cliffs in OP)
View Poll Results: Do you want the AGCC to regulate the new FTP?
Yes
1,156 56.58%
No
887 43.42%

04-20-2012 , 07:36 AM
How is the change dat FTP isnt coming back, but there will just be a new pokersite with FTPs software and no payback for the players? Just a lot of sick promos.
04-20-2012 , 07:37 AM
I've always much preferred FTP software however now I'm playing on Stars and they have ZOom and hit key beta I don't mind it really, I'd probably instantly move though back to FTP as I'm a micro player so the rb would help me in the short tern
04-20-2012 , 07:39 AM
I am so sick of waiting, waiting, waiting. It's my money what they are trying to sell or trying to buy. I am at a point now where i doubt I would ever play on a new FTP again.
Both buyers and sellers are shameless. Thinking that they can throw 3 sentences of information to me every 2 months. And now, again, after 1 year, I am supposed to wait on the outcome of a AGCC hearing . No way, **** them. I have seen that movie before.
04-20-2012 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Braindead2000
I am so sick of waiting, waiting, waiting. It's my money what they are trying to sell or trying to buy. I am at a point now where i doubt I would ever play on a new FTP again.
Both buyers and sellers are shameless. Thinking that they can throw 3 sentences of information to me every 2 months. And now, again, after 1 year, I am supposed to wait on the outcome of a AGCC hearing . No way, **** them. I have seen that movie before.
Calm down, jesus.
04-20-2012 , 08:28 AM
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Good software may not bring in players in their droves but poor software will definitely put them off in the long run. Party Poker software is beyond bad.
What's so bad about it? Turn off unnecasary animations and get Party EZ Cash instead of TableNinja. I play 9-12 tables without any lagging or disconnections. Lots of players at NL100 & NL200 and games are softer than on Stars imho. I have nice rakeback deal on William Hill but can't stand constant disconnections when every hour or so I get logger off WH client. This is why I prefer Party despite huge rakeback on WH.

And talking about new players all you need is to be a market leader. When people think of poker these days they think of Poker Stars. They start playing there, lose deposit or two and then decide that this site is rigged and games are fixed. Then they look for other 'more decent' sites to play. Then they learn about different bonuses and rakeback on the way and this becomes a major factor. Player pool means nothing at that stage because they rarely play mote than on 2 tables. And only after playing on 3-4 sites people start noticing difference in software quality.
04-20-2012 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
Well done Tompakee! Keep up the good work.
04-20-2012 , 08:38 AM
You guys realise that FTP2 is without Spain, Italy, France, Belgium and more countries to follow
04-20-2012 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lancelott_
ok this thead is back to useless blablabla untill may 3rd i assume. god please dont extend liscensing to have to read more of this nonsense after that date
word.

so, my prediction is that they will announce major news on 5th-7th of may ( news will be that ftp received/granted licence ) , than FTP will announce when they are gonna relunch site again. So at the end of may / early june we can play there again.

cu on 5th of may than .
04-20-2012 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper421
^^^ Id be happy with $25M/year profits if I owned a company. Pretty damn easy work too: once you've got it set up, hired support/etc just sit back and watch the money rolling in. That's just me though...


Your completely wrong. You have to put yourself questions everydays if you want to run your business sucessfully. If you dont others will do for you.
04-20-2012 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Frubi_ZMIJA
word.

so, my prediction is that they will announce major news on 5th-7th of may ( news will be that ftp received/granted licence ) , than FTP will announce when they are gonna relunch site again. So at the end of may / early june we can play there again.

cu on 5th of may than .
I never relunch, I like my food fresh.

JK, I know English isn't your native language.
04-20-2012 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
Calm down, jesus.
And that coming from Tony Little
04-20-2012 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Braindead2000
And that coming from Tony Little
Spoiler:
04-20-2012 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePressure
$300m is the presumption everyone withdraws which I doubt would happen etc
say whaaaaa? This is easily going to be a run on the bank of epic proportions for ROW. Who knows, maybe they will update the software and remove the cashout button
04-20-2012 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by NCSU07
say whaaaaa? This is easily going to be a run on the bank of epic proportions. Who knows, maybe they will update the software and remove the cashout button
I was looking through the current software files. Deposit button is there, but confirmed no cashout button.




(Probably just doesn't appear as a graphic file.)
04-20-2012 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hurrhurr
Your completely wrong. You have to put yourself questions everydays if you want to run your business sucessfully. If you dont others will do for you.
By 'sit back' I obviously didn't mean do absolutely nothing/not oversee+run the company lol. I meant 'sit back' compared to most real jobs (construction worker, cook, factory job, whatever) that actually take physical effort and hard work. Not that the hypothetical question I was referring to even matters in the slightest, but owning one of the worlds largest poker sites would be a pretty sweet job compared to most of the jobs out there.
04-20-2012 , 10:04 AM
Diamond or Noah, of FTPs $159mill seized/frozen/whatever by the DOJ, do you have any idea how much of this figure the DOJ would use to repay US Players? Also, how much of the $80mill that Tapie will buy the assets for, will go towards the US Players?
04-20-2012 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkElf
FTP made a profit of well over $100M per year. a money printing machine.
FYP.

TDE is well aware of that, but that number indicates the DOJ was wrong, which is why he downplays it.
Apparently it is very important for him to defend the DOJ and their actions and accusations.


If this was true:

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Originally Posted by TheDarkElf
FTP made a profit of about $100M in four years.
we would never get our money back.

The main reason we will is because FTP is indeed a money printing machine.
Pokerplayers should be good enough at math to realise that.
04-20-2012 , 10:55 AM
All dividends paid out to shareholders should really be returned since they werent profits they were player funds. Even if shareholders didnt know its still receiving stolen money. Some shareholders obviously did know. HOWARD
04-20-2012 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dontwork
All dividends paid out to shareholders should really be returned since they werent profits they were player funds. Even if shareholders didnt know its still receiving stolen money. Some shareholders obviously did know. HOWARD
Good luck with that.
04-20-2012 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper421
By 'sit back' I obviously didn't mean do absolutely nothing/not oversee+run the company lol. I meant 'sit back' compared to most real jobs (construction worker, cook, factory job, whatever) that actually take physical effort and hard work. Not that the hypothetical question I was referring to even matters in the slightest, but owning one of the worlds largest poker sites would be a pretty sweet job compared to most of the jobs out there.
avatar of the year in my book
04-20-2012 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwerty12
If ftp's software is so difficult to replicate and protected by patents etc how did stars manage to deliver zoom. I seriously believe the high esteem in which ftp's software is held on these boards is grossly exaggerated and probably only held by a small percentage of its customers (ie some but not all 2+2ers). I doubt the rec players even notice the difference between good and bad software. I don't disagree with the poster you are responding to to some extent. Whatever it is $50,100,400 mil whatever to buy FTP surely is more than enough to develop something comparable from scratch. It's almost as if people defending the value of FTP are doing so in the fear that Tapie might walk away otherwise.
100% agree, not sure why DF is so high on it.

It has a decent value but its value is dropping by the day in my opinion.

Its a year on so how much development has been done since then?

Are most of the people who worked on the software still working for FTP?

Obviously Stars has zoom, you have to think companies like Party, Ipoker, zynga ect ect all have rush type software either completed or deep into development.

One of my big questions has been why the process has been so slow when its obvious to me that time is important when other companies are catching up/passing you.

When casual players are playing 1 or 2 tables they don't notice the problems that most of us notice with slow software.

I totally agree with your comment on people defending tapie/GBT/FTP, as if anything written in this thread will make one bit of difference if the deal goes through or not.
04-20-2012 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
FYP.

TDE is well aware of that, but that number indicates the DOJ was wrong, which is why he downplays it.
Apparently it is very important for him to defend the DOJ and their actions and accusations.


If this was true:



we would never get our money back.

The main reason we will is because FTP is indeed a money printing machine.
Pokerplayers should be good enough at math to realise that.
40 to 45% of old FTP customers are gone for a while maybe forever. A much smaller % are disgruntled and won't return from the ROW! FTP2 may very well come back and find good niche and some loyal fans. It will likely succeed but at a much reduced level from pre BF. You should be good enough at math to realize this too. I am sure Tapie realizes it and has planned accordingly.
04-20-2012 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
FYP.

TDE is well aware of that, but that number indicates the DOJ was wrong, which is why he downplays it.
Apparently it is very important for him to defend the DOJ and their actions and accusations.


If this was true:



we would never get our money back.

The main reason we will is because FTP is indeed a money printing machine.
Pokerplayers should be good enough at math to realise that.
FTP will be somewhere between 10-40% of the money printing machine it was prior to BF. (US customers plus disgruntled ROW customers)

Depending on the nut it could turn a money machine into a money pit.

Hopefully they do indeed have a money printing press because as soon as they open they will probably need it.
04-20-2012 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bene Gesserit
40 to 45% of old FTP customers are gone for a while maybe forever. A much smaller % are disgruntled and won't return from the ROW! FTP2 may very well come back and find good niche and some loyal fans. It will likely succeed but at a much reduced level from pre BF. You should be good enough at math to realize this too. I am sure Tapie realizes it and has planned accordingly.
When you got used to 45%+ rackeback on the reliable networks it's difficult to downgrade to 27% I think.

Also as I mentioned earlier players from Spain, Italy, France and Belgium cannot play on FTP2

      
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