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09-28-2013 , 02:48 AM

#926

Rob1543

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,414

Scroll up four or five posts man.

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09-28-2013 , 02:54 AM

#927

realmaniac1

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,508

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Originally Posted by WCGRider

yeah i think im something like +$580k hands over 11.5k hands

confirmed 580k hands over 11.5k hands

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09-28-2013 , 03:00 AM

#928

CocteauTwin

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,612

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Originally Posted by Matt Probability

Scroll up four or five posts man.

My scrolling finger is lazy today.

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09-28-2013 , 03:43 AM

#929

alexuuus

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,316

150 * 3500 = 525.000

theoretically if WCG folds every btn from now on, he already won

well done, Doug. you should do the durrrr challenge

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09-28-2013 , 04:49 AM

#930

MaddieNL

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 389

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Originally Posted by alexuuus

150 * 3500 = 525.000

theoretically if WCG folds every btn from now on, he already won

WCG, in regards to the above, have Sauce and you discussed a rule? And if so, how would you enforce, which is for that reason I suppose you haven't made a rule like 'no blindfolding'. Anyhow, don't think you will do just that as you will still be throwing away 500k in order to secure 100k

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Just wondering.

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09-28-2013 , 05:06 AM

#931

Andrew Boccia

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,539

Don't really know how you could wonder something like that, it's absurd.

It should be pretty obvious that the person up by $201 with one hand to go is not defending the big blind.

Last edited by Andrew Boccia; 09-28-2013 at 05:17 AM.

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09-28-2013 , 05:17 AM

#932

TouchOfEVil

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,144

lol, discussing such a rule would be ******ed=), i think sauce would be pretty happy if he folded every blind rest of the game, it's a nice recover in just 4k hands, not a win, but a small defeat relative to the stakes and what coulda been.

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09-28-2013 , 05:57 AM

#933

MaddieNL

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 389

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Originally Posted by Andrew Boccia

Don't really know how you could wonder something like that, it's absurd.

It should be pretty obvious that the person up by $201 with one hand to go is not defending the big blind.

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Originally Posted by TouchOfEVil

But let's imagine. 200 hands to go, Sauce/WCG 40k up?
For argument's sake, when would you consider folding every hand (knowing that the sidebets are between 110k-200k (100k+other private action).

For instance you are up 10k and get AA in the last hand (100bb stacks), you know your opponent goes all-in. EV wise would a fold be correct, what is the breakeven point with AA against our opponent 100% range.

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09-28-2013 , 11:34 AM

#934

Giraffe Carpentry

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 115

Don't go full viffer on your theories about folding hands.
WCG is ahead by 500k and only 4k hands are left to play. Unsurprisingly, small little chance that there could be somekind of "ahead by couple of big blinds" drama in the end.
It's not that Pokerstars' superstar showdown, when all hands were numbered and progress periodically revealed to observers. There's a chance that WCG and Sauce won't even know when that magic 15k hand mark will hit because they do hand numbering by themselves and that unstable graph http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/blog/wc...ads-challenge/ is provided by 3rd party (HSDB).

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09-28-2013 , 04:15 PM

#935

Rob1543

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,414

Anyone know what the side bet ending up being?

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09-28-2013 , 04:52 PM

#936

Sedeete

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,124

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Originally Posted by Matt Probability

Anyone know what the side bet ending up being?

If you mean between sauce & rider, I think it's 100K.

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09-28-2013 , 06:00 PM

#937

archii

adept

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 759

Is Sauce allowed to quit and just pay the $100k? Or did they decide they'll play 15k hands no matter what?

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09-28-2013 , 06:05 PM

#938

klink10k

banned

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,721

doubt saucebaus will quit, quitting is only for weak as b*tches and sauce is a baus

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09-28-2013 , 07:01 PM

#939

mathmagician3

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 487

time for galfond to step up

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09-28-2013 , 07:13 PM

#940

DonEdison

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,656

i always read that wcg is working vers hard on his game ... can somebody go into detail what people mean by that?

doug, mby u can elaborate on how you approach the game and the proportion of study/playing looks like?

thx.

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09-28-2013 , 07:18 PM

#941

CliffLee

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+1 for Galfond.

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09-28-2013 , 07:25 PM

#942

loK2thabrain

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Originally Posted by DonEdison

I heard he spends hours and hours watching old JohnnyBax videos.

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09-28-2013 , 07:28 PM

#943

BreakYaNeck

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,186

If WCG played Galfond right now in HUNL it would be an even bigger massacre than it is right now vs Sauce.

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09-28-2013 , 09:35 PM

#944

Johnston666

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 767

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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck

If WCG played Galfond right now in HUNL it would be an even bigger massacre than it is right now vs Sauce.

This.

Unless they were playing HUPLO WCG would have the advantage right now, Galfond is probably quite rusty in his NLHE game.

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09-28-2013 , 09:41 PM

#945

Chabra

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 403

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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck

If WCG played Galfond right now in HUNL it would be an even bigger massacre than it is right now vs Sauce.

This. Galfond for the past couple years has been a PLO-specialist and right now he's super rusty in HUNL. I think WC said in one of his interviews that Galfond was a "spot" in last year's SuperStar Showdown (if it wasn't WC who said that, sorry, but one of the top HS HUNL guys said something along those lines).

The best people to step up to a future challenge would be either Ike or Jungle. A couple months ago it seemed like WC was someone who just talked a big game. But you gotta give the man credit, he walks the walk, and as of right now he is the #1 HUNL player in the world. That is unless, Ike, Jungle, or someone else can step up to the challenge

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09-28-2013 , 10:07 PM

#946

breadandbutter

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,407

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Originally Posted by Syous

maybe he just wants more action and likes to add on some pressure to win?

u guys criticize wcg rider way too much. It'd be a much better thread if u guys stopped speculating and assumed the worst about each player's personality and intentions and instead focused on how interesting the match is.

I agree. Watch the match and maybe learn something. Both players are amazing and apparently WCG has an edge so he should get the credit he deserves because Sauce is considered to be one of the best at HUNL

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09-28-2013 , 10:16 PM

#947

breadandbutter

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,407

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Originally Posted by Meth Damon

What's so funny? Rider is running ridic good.

Look at the ****ing graph dude. WCG clearly has an edge playwise, not luckwise. He might run good with it as well but it's hard to say Sauce is the better player, is it.

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09-28-2013 , 10:45 PM

#948

Apoccd10I

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,333

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Originally Posted by breadandbutter

Look at the ****ing graph dude. WCG clearly has an edge playwise, not luckwise. He might run good with it as well but it's hard to say Sauce is the better player, is it.

posts like this make me facepalm so hard, get a grasp of hunl variance (even the full total of 15k hands is just a lol sample to make any sort of estimations)

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09-28-2013 , 11:12 PM

#949

kabyz

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 483

meh idk there's def signal in there too when he's up 27bi

for example, if you thaught sauce has a 4bb edge (and 140 stdev) on wcg he has 2.5% chance to lose 28bi or more in 15k hands. when you observe that happening you might want to reconsider

15k hands says nothing when you just look at win/loss, but when you look at the depth of the results it can

i'm sure people more familiar with the math than i am could tell us how much information is in these results