Pretty ridiculous to imply that Reina couldnt save it if it was precisley top corner.

All he would need is the time to move before jumping which he would obviously have because DN shot wouldnt have the power if it had the accuracy.

FWIW the height of a goal is 8 feet, Reina is 6 ft 2 and can touch the top just reaching without a jump.

No one is saying otherwise. However, only power and accuracy determine someones ability to take a penalty. Daniel has neither, and thus relies on luck.

Yes there is a lot of randomness involved...when the two people are involved are both elite professionals. The difference in class negates any significant randomness.

How so? The analogy is extreme, but still valid. Obviously DN has a better chance at scoring a penalty, because of the so-called randomness factor, but the fact remains he is an amateur, who by his own admission, hasn't played for a number of years. He lacks the technical ability to win against a trained professional.

This.

I played football(soccer for the americans under us) at a pretty high level from age 5 to 16 and looking at Daniel I think it's gonna be difficult for him to make a goal against such an experienced goalkeeper. You need some kind of power behind your shot to get passed Reina PLUS you need good aim. That takes a lot of practice and when you never played much football before it's gonna be pretty hard to get the ball in the right place with a certain amount of power behind the shot.

So I would put my money on Reina on this one. Of course, Daniel could make some lucky shot lol, you never know. But Reina is DEFINITELY the favorite here

Just place it with the inside of your foot into either of the corners. Goal.

He's going to have to guess everyone right to keep up with the shot.

Theres no chance he's making 5/5.

Is this whole post a level?????

Are you really comparing kicking a soccer ball with throwing a baseball???

Dude, there are plenty of people that can kick a soccer ball as hard, or harder, than some pros. But thats about all they could do, so DUCY WHY THEY AREN'T PRO'S???????????

Also, brah, I've played PLENTY of soccer, and recently enough, to know what the **** I am talking about.

If you couldn't score against Reina in this situation, perhaps you simply just suck at kicking a soccer ball.

i know absolutely nothing about football/soccer.
i have no opinion on whether he would be able to hit 1 in 5.

the poll results seem to support reina having the edge.
and the people who think reina will win seem to be more knowledgable about the game.

i also think that when two people make a prop bet and one party is more knowledgable about the prop bet related activity than the other, it's the more knowledgable one that usually ends up having an edge.


i think daniel probably knows he doesnt have an edge, and is doing this as a publicity stunt.

Your entire viewpoint must be one gigantic level. It shocks me that someone who takes enough of an interest in football to have an Arsenal avatar could be that stupid.

It was pretty obvious I was talking about what it takes to take a penalty successfully at a professional level, not what it takes to be a professional player. In terms you can understand, the point was that it is not easy, and not everyone can do it. The vast majority can't.

The player in question is DN. Not a random unknown who may or may not be able to kick a ball as hard as a professional. I would estimate DN will struggle to strike the ball half as hard. Couple that with woeful inaccuracy and what do you get?


Congratulations. I'm sure you must of gained a lot of knowledge and experience of the game of soccer from that kick around you have bi-weekly on a Sunday.

Um no. I am almost certain I a superior player to DN (unless he is being uncharacteristically modest in his description of his own abilities) and I would still say that I am not a shoe-in for this bet. With some specific penalty practice, I might back myself personally to score one (I played right back/ right wing at county level - English equivalent to State level - and was selected to take penalties in penalty shootouts), but then I would still need to execute things perfectly to stand any chance.

You far underestimate Reina's agility. But then again, maybe I underestimate how much preparation that kick around in the park must of been for you, you're probably a dead-cert.

again, with no actual knowledge of soccer (sorry, football), it seems that people who 'know' seem to think his best shot is to spike it with his toe.

is that right?

and if that's what he chooses to do (though he might not), what would you estimate the probability of it going in per kick / how many kicks would he need for 1 going in to be a break even proposition?

Toe punting would give a lot of power but no accuracy and the keeper would be hard pressed to guess where its going so yeah this is probably his best bet. But given the unpredictability, I would say he is going to shoot high and wide about 3/5. Of the two on target I would imagine he has a 25% chance of scoring with each shot.

Toe punting is his worst bet and everyone advocating it, has no idea of soccer/football.

explain, and my football knowledge > everyone elses itt btw

I really don't know what to say, but this is absurd. OF COURSE YOU SCORE ON HIM.

You are massively overrating a keepers pk stopping skills and massively underrating how easy it is to score a pk.

This made me laugh because it seems you don't understand how easy it is to score penalties when given 5 shots, regardless of the keeper that is in goal.

I especially liked the part where it is EXACTLY the same as taking out a batter in cricket. XD

I would certainly toe punt it. The main reason is Jose would easily read my intentions by my body shape, and save any shot I tried to place.

Toe punts have a tendency to fly off at all directions which may help.

I make Reina a massive favourite for this bet. Daniel could possibly get 1 in 5, but would be a huge dog to score 20% over the long run.

If he can kick the ball then no he wouldn't

This can also be lol'd at for those looking to flame! ducy jabriel?

This bet is far more interesting if he has to make more than 2 out of 5.

You said you play football, right?

You have to be kidding.

Reina will probably save DN's 5 attempts but anyone who can play football can score 1 out of 5 against any keeper.

I'd pawn my granny to take this bet.

i've never played soccer, but have a pretty strong leg (have made 45 yard fg's), and i know that i'd bet on ME...but betting on daniel scrawny little ass might be a hard sell.

edit: i've screwed around with soccer before, and would consider myself 'good for someone who's never played organized soccer before'. just too much running for me.

but i'm faily certain that i could kick it hard to a corner. if he stops it, good, i'll kick it to the other one the next time.

pressure would be on though for the last 2 kicks if he's stopped the first couple though. but i think i can use psychology the last couple. after going for the corners, maybe i'd shoot one straight at him or something..

I was going to suggest this in my previous post.

For someone with no technique, this would be the way to get maximum power into it.

Dave Narey did NOT toe poke it in '82. We hate Jimmy Hill, he's a poof.

Level of the year.

If this is as easy as some claim, even for a rank amateur, why are pk's a legitimate way of breaking a tie at the highest levels of the game?

Because the game can't run forever? Its all about handeling the pressure at that level, some do that better then others..

I don't think this is much of an argument. Pros typically have success rates of 75-90% on pk.

This is more about the gap between amateurs and pros and how big people perceive it to be.

becuse if u toe punt is the shot is very likly to be centred in a reaching area for a goalkeeper like reina