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Daniel Negreanu challenging Liverpool keeper Jose Reina to a penalty shootout?!?!? Daniel Negreanu challenging Liverpool keeper Jose Reina to a penalty shootout?!?!?
View Poll Results: Who wins this bet?
Daniel wins easily
144 19.67%
Daniel has an edge
196 26.78%
Reina has an edge
179 24.45%
Reina wins easily
213 29.10%

10-03-2009 , 08:20 PM
this article was full of BS.
10-03-2009 , 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurious
I've played soccer for more than 10 years and I doubt that I would be able to score once.
wow.. 10 years.. you must be realy bad.. =) Ive also played for like 10 years.. and im pretty sure i could do atleast 1..

made 3/3 penalty shoots against the norwegian mainkeeper.. (football camp) - (brag)


this bet is realy close for DN.. like fiddy/fiddy

I guess DN kicks the ball like a ******, which makes it abit more difficult to read..
10-03-2009 , 08:22 PM
[ ] If you come 13th at WSOPE your the 13th best in Europe!!!!!!
10-03-2009 , 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregorio
Here is Reina in a penalty shootout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fsfT5jmcbE
(5 minutes in)
Interesting fact for you - the guy Teddy Sheringham, legend, taking the penalty at 6:00 is the same person that finished 14th this year at the WSOPE ME.
10-03-2009 , 08:27 PM
omg epic thread.

So much fail. If DN has even the slightest athletic ability and over 30 minutes of football experience this is a really easy +ev bet.
10-03-2009 , 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RebelG
Penalties are about placement, not power.
this, to an extent. DN will need to be accurate to beat reina, considering the likely strength of his leg.




Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple888

What's massive is the size of the goal itself.
not this, considering reina's size and agility, he will prob cover the goal pretty well, which leads to


Quote:
Originally Posted by insomniac86

pro goalkeepers are massive, they fill the goal in an intimidating manner, this effect would be multiplied vs an amateur. DN will know that he will have to be very accurate to score, and this need for accuracy will prob cause him to miss the target at least once.



DN missing the target = less likely chance he will win the bet.

to repeat, i believe that DN is a definite underdog in this bet. its not massive, but i believe reina has an edge for sure
10-03-2009 , 08:32 PM
Poll results so far are badly wrong here, Reina has a clear edge. Negreanu weighs about 8 stone and just won't have enough muscle in his legs to generate the power to beat Reina. Plus Reina will be able to read him to a large extent if he tries to aim for the corners. He is one of the top 5 GKs in the world, Negreanu has barely played the game to my knowledge and would be lucky to fluke 1 in 20.
10-03-2009 , 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by insomniac86
not this, considering reina's size and agility, he will prob cover the goal pretty well
actually reina is pretty small for a goalkeeper, noticibly so. his strength lies in his reactions.

and as i said in my first post on page two i think daniel has the best of it, especially since he's come out and said he played throughtout his childhood. he knows what a pair of footy boots feel like.... unless they played on skates or something.
10-03-2009 , 08:55 PM
My only last question is, why Reina didn't challenge Liv Boeree, Vicky Coren, etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8lutjMO-Gc
10-03-2009 , 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofeljoh!
My only last question is, why Reina didn't challenge Liv Boeree, Vicky Coren, etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8lutjMO-Gc
lol braments.

or

it was a penalty tits-out

great comedy dutch commentary too
10-03-2009 , 09:02 PM
I would bet anything that DN scores once... PM for bet.
10-03-2009 , 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Disturbance
Poll results so far are badly wrong here, Reina has a clear edge. Negreanu weighs about 8 stone and just won't have enough muscle in his legs to generate the power to beat Reina. Plus Reina will be able to read him to a large extent if he tries to aim for the corners. He is one of the top 5 GKs in the world, Negreanu has barely played the game to my knowledge and would be lucky to fluke 1 in 20.
I'm pretty sure Doyle could get 1 in 20.

You really don't have to kick the ball very hard at all if you keep it low and aimed in the correct spot. The damn goal is 24 feet wide FFS. And even if the keeper manages to get a hand to the very bottom of the post, the ball could always take a weird hop past him.

Again this assumes the keeper doesn't cheat.
10-03-2009 , 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple888
I'm pretty sure Doyle could get 1 in 20.

You really don't have to kick the ball very hard at all if you keep it low and aimed in the correct spot. The damn goal is 24 feet wide FFS. And even if the keeper manages to get a hand to the very bottom of the post, the ball could always take a weird hop past him.

Again this assumes the keeper doesn't cheat.
[x] American talking about football
10-03-2009 , 09:35 PM
LMAO at this.

Reina is massively +ev, DG scoring 1 out of 5 in this is equivalent to hitting a 1 outer on the river...incredibly unlikely (but possible).

The Americans (and the other idiots itt) obviously don't understand professional football and how difficult it actually is to score a penalty against a world class goalkeeper...the people you see scoring are exceptionally good at taking them.

It has been explained numerous times already, but DG won't have the power, placement or combination of the two to beat a goalkeeper who trains for this everyday against world class opposition, and has tremendous reactions and agility. To Reina, DG's shots will be moving in slow motion. DG will need to luckbox some crazy swerve on the ball to stand any chance at all, and even then it's slim.
10-03-2009 , 09:37 PM
finishing 14th in a donkament def makes you a top top top regarded poker player..... lets ignore sheringhams degenerate whale losses though.
10-03-2009 , 09:37 PM
LOL this is a stone lock. If he could only take 2 shots it'd be an interesting bet but 1/5 gtfo so ridiculous. Obv professional athletes are the biggest fish when it comes to gambling so it's no surprise DN could arrange this bet.

There's a lot of ******ation going around both sides of this thread: "All DN has to do is practice kicking it into the postage stamp." Hmm just drill it into the upper 90; that sounds easy enough. "You can only kick it into the triangle 1/20 times." That quote is from someone who supposedly played soccer for 10 years. Keep 'em coming.
10-03-2009 , 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sapol
Anyone who even begins to think this might be EV- for DN has never played soccer (futbol or football)
+1
10-03-2009 , 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eattheradish
[x] American talking about football
Um, do you have a point?

I've played keeper and faced penalty shots. A shot rolling along the ground toward the post is extremely hard to get to in time unless you guess the direction (different leagues have different rules about moving sideways before the kick).

But I'm American, so I guess my opinion doesn't count.

Once again, I'm talking about strict rules enforcement. In the elite leagues, virtually every keeper hops forward ahead of time on virtually every penalty kick. I'm not a huge fan, but I've never seen the rules enforced, and DN really should set things up to do so.

Last edited by pineapple888; 10-03-2009 at 09:52 PM.
10-03-2009 , 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cero_z
LOL this is a stone lock. If he could only take 2 shots it'd be an interesting bet but 1/5 gtfo so ridiculous. Obv professional athletes are the biggest fish when it comes to gambling so it's no surprise DN could arrange this bet.

There's a lot of ******ation going around both sides of this thread: "All DN has to do is practice kicking it into the postage stamp." Hmm just drill it into the upper 90; that sounds easy enough. "You can only kick it into the triangle 1/20 times." That quote is from someone who supposedly played soccer for 10 years. Keep 'em coming.
Lmao. I think your definition of "drill" and Reina's definition of "drill" are two different things.

The analogy with Rodger Federer made earlier was a great one, you should go back to it and have a think about how many aces you could expect against RF out of 5 before you embarrass yourself further.

Last edited by JabrielP; 10-03-2009 at 10:02 PM.
10-03-2009 , 09:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sapol
Anyone who even begins to think this might be EV- for DN has never played soccer (futbol or football)
Your stupidity tilts me so hard.

Last edited by JabrielP; 10-03-2009 at 09:54 PM.
10-03-2009 , 10:07 PM
a friend of mine is the cork gaa 2nd choice goalkeeper (kevin murphy), an amateur sport. i cant believe the stupidity of people. if they walked up to a penalty spot 12 yards away and faced him, they would struggle big time to beat him one in five attempts unless they were regular players with good technique etc, i would be shocked if he let in 3. stunned in fact.
now, remember he is an amateur, only second choice for cork, in prob the third most popular game in cork. now imagine facing reina. anyone who thinks they have a shot at scoring one in five is an absolute idiot. there is no chance whatsoever. none. could you outdrive tiger woods? practice for hours a day and get coaching. all you have to do is swing really hard and hit the ball in the sweet spot. easy isn't it?
10-03-2009 , 10:16 PM
he'd do it easily
10-03-2009 , 10:20 PM
it's pretty fascinating how divided (and strong-minded about their opinions) people are on this bet
10-03-2009 , 10:25 PM
noone is willing to bet on it themselves ITT.
I would like to wager 50 US dollars that reina wins the bet.
10-03-2009 , 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurious
I disagree. It's Reina, that guy saves shots every day that are a lot faster without a problem.
I think 99% of this forum couldnt do it.
100% level, no other way around it.

      
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