If Daniel wins it will be due to hitting the perfect penalty rather than Reina making a mistake.

I hope it goes ahead and an announcement from Danny Boy would be appreciated.

+1 (kinda)


I dont think its delusional that you can score 3/5 against Reina when you know how to place a ball and shoot reasonably strong.
Plus once he know you can do that you have the advantage.
And you dont have to be a professional to be able to do that.
Sure, Reina is a lot stronger then your typical goalie but it doesnt make him unbeatable.
Maybe 3/5 is a little high, but im positive than a reasonably trained player has a 50/50 shot a scoring 3/5.

To DN, perhaps he would be best of just kicking it with the nose of his shoe (dont know the english term for it).
If you havent trained at all you can put a lot more strengh to the ball then if you cant do it the other way.
He wont be able to control the ball but if he gets enough speed he just has to get lucky.

Actually, it's the closest analogy to a penalty kick we've had yet, certainly far better than the stupid golf/tennis/MLB ones, but like I say, with the addition of button every hand to represnt the massive advantage the kicker has - which of course is why Daniel has a shot at hitting his one in five.

Penalty kicks are largely based on luck. Sorry to break it to you, but your sport is a sham.

This has been repeated and repeated throughout the thread, and I'm sorry, but it's xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Yes Daniel looks a 7 stone weakling, so for him he is likely to be a bit lacking in pace of shot, but are all the rest of you? Professional footballers don't hit the ball much harder than I ever did or saw other players do in my amatuer football days, that's not their advantage, and certainly not for pens, which are rarely blasted anyway.

so you are saying that an amateur would be less than 50% to score 1/5 penalties against a professional goalkeeper?

For someone with no footballing ability a toe poke would be their best chance of scoring.

Since, though, DN has already stated his footballing ability is decent, most of this thread is just balls.

There is alot more to taking a penalty than running up and striking the ball.

You argue that the taker has the advantage. That is correct if the skill level of the Goal Keeper and penalty taker were exactly even. What we can say is that Pepe Reina at this moment in time is probably one of the top 5 penalty keepers in the world. I would doubt Daniel Negreanu is in the top 10million penalty takers in the world as hes a 7 stone Vegan.

I don't know Reinas exact penalty stats but i think someone mentioned earlier in the thread that its around the 50% mark. Thats a 50% success rate v top class flight footballers in Spain and England or 2.5/5.

Are you honestly telling me that DN or anyone who knows how to kick a football is anywhere near that?

I think a closer analogy would be giving someone 5 attempts to hit a legal tennis serve of 120mph or better.

This thread has turned into the same argument just going in circles over and over and over and over about whether an amateur can score on a pro that really has nothing to do with poker or DN anymore, so I'm going to lock it in awhile. When this bet ever takes place (presumable never), we'll re-open the thread. In the meantime, if you want to continue the debate, you can take it to the Random soccer/football discussion thread.

GG

Which is exactly my point, yet many on here would have you believe that professionals all kick the ball like Hot Shot Hamish

Yes, and no-one is saying they are, hence why Daniel has a marginal advantage to get one out of five, if skill was even then Daniel should get approx four out of five.



As pointed out many times, that is against penalty takers who Reina can study on tape for form. They are also in a one shot deal, so tend to err towards cautoion in general when taking pens. Daniel can be far more aggressive in going right for the postage stamp with at least the first three kicks, giving him a far grteater chance of making just one kick.



No. Being able to hit at pro level in tennis takes far more technique than hitting a football, there is not a huge gap between how hard Joe Bloggs can hit a football and how hard a pro can. I admit Daniel may be in the bigger gap category, but this whole blanket 'pros hit it far harder than amatuers' line is way off the mark in my experience.