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01-01-2022 , 05:34 PM
The most ridiculous thing to come out of the podcast was the claim that Dan cheated someone's grandmother out of 250K and then silenced the victim. Turns out the victim is none other than ABE MOSSERI'S babe or his bubbe, who knows anymore what she is LISA WALTERS. Lisa reached out directly to the podcast host on Twitter with these claims and that she's written a fact book of poker victims called PrivatePrivateWorld. Deja Vu much?

It gets more interesting. Her Twitter account pokerdaily12 uses a fake pic and name. We ran a search on the name and it links back directly to Abe Mosseri and his girlfriend Lisa Lombardi / Walters in Florida courts.

PrivateWorld / Vegan/ AbeandLeesa has proven to be a pathological liar and ridiculously stupid but her attention-seeking behavior will only hurt Abe's credibility. Not Dan's. Not Eli's.
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01-01-2022 , 05:39 PM
To celebrate Private World's re-emergence thanks to Dan B someone posted this on Reddit

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01-01-2022 , 06:30 PM
Also the he fact that he claims to be on his own since 18, no help from the family, yet can’t recall to what tune he crushed online at, doesn’t really pass it the smell test. Like you can’t recall if you made a million dollars in a year…when poker was your only income.

OTOH, I can see somebody playing with daddy’s money not having any idea how much they won (or lost).
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01-01-2022 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ReliableSource
That’s something that looks good in his book about how the glory days of online poker were.
Thing is Bodog was far softer than the major poker sites back in the day. At least that was the always the case when I played online poker. Players like Doug wouldn't realize or care about that because Doug was hunting for glory and would never "waste" his time playing on an untracked site regardless of how much money could be won there.
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01-01-2022 , 08:30 PM
So now people want to see his tax returns ffs. Seriously!

Might just be the reason he has trouble remembering the actual Cost of items and exact income for certain months.

So much jealousy as it was only 12 months ago all the same people were saying No Way this guy won Any money playing poker as he is hopeless and I would could even beat him.

Rich dude admits to dropping $xm to Dan but Dan says 4x min at least.
Ok but where da *** did he build his roll as this guy is worse than me and I have sfa compared to him plus he **** himself silly, lives like a Rockstar while I wank off dreaming what coulda shoulda 😭😭😭

Oh Danny Boy how could you be so real as it was ok before you wired your $50m for Hu and want the match on ppv.
*** you Danny boy I can't even wire $50k except without asking the Mrs or in my dreams.

Only in Merica land of the ????
I want to see Dan v/s Mikkie hu best of 3 each $1m Winner plays Durr
Loser plays PH
Live at Hustler.
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01-01-2022 , 08:54 PM
I stopped watching the pod with Polk and Bilzerian after about 45 minutes, got annoyed by it. Both Polk and Bilzerian have a way of saying things with conviction, but after being 45 minutes in neither of them had provided any proof to back up their claims.

Polk has basically always made assumptions about Bilzerian, some carefully worded, others implying Bilzerian is straight up bullshitting, and his argument was essentially that because he packaged them as a joke they couldn't be harmful. This obviously isn't true and Bilzerian made a reasonable point that he was misportrayed by Polk and that this messed with his reputation.

Bilzerian was mostly grandstanding about all his alleged achievements in poker. No one wants to see a mouth motorboat that much about accomplishments without seeing any evidence. Like, this whole topic about where Bilzerian's money came from is so ****ing easy to proof or disproof. Just get some numbers straight. He claims to have gone along with this idea that he's a trust fund kid to get into soft games; now he's come clean that he's actually been a poker badass since the start of his career; then it's getting to him that people don't believe him. What does he expect from people? Dude, if this is getting to you to the extent that you're going on a 2.5 hour podcast with someone you clearly don't like to defend yourself, just track back what you've made in the early parts of your career or write the sites you played at an email to retrieve your data, show that to the community and get on with your life.
I have no problem believing Bilzerian can get into epic spots after becoming the worlds biggest chad on social media, but where did you get the financial means to create this crazy expensive chad lifestyle that attracted you to all these billionaires looking to play with you? I think this is by far the most important topic.

The trust fund talk was a bit of a joke also. Bilzerian claiming he can show for sure he never got anything out of the fund and then not showing any evidence (at least up until the part of the pod I'd seen) was annoying. His claims about how hard it would be to get him money in any other way were just absurd. Rich powerful dad can't find a way to get his son a large sum of cash money, or in another way via a third party? Same rich powerful dad that did four years in prison for conspiracy of all things?! And you actually gamble as a profession, the perfect method of choice to launder money? Come on man, what the **** are you on about how difficult this would be? Just concede that it would be a piece of cake and roll out some goddamn evidence that shows you went from broke to a multi-millionaire playing poker.
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01-01-2022 , 09:09 PM
can someone please translate Pokerdaily12's posts? i have no idea what i just read.
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01-01-2022 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
can someone please translate Pokerdaily12's posts? i have no idea what i just read.
is he mixing up Dan with the scamster JNanderz? Not sure
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01-01-2022 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ProblemPlaya
Agreed. Let’s start a poll
Technically, it's a pollk.
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01-02-2022 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
I'm in the skeptical group about Dan getting his money from poker rather than his father. There's an easy, objective way to find out - have Dan produce his tax returns for those years. If he did actually win millions at poker there's no way he failed to declare them since bragging to the world about winning but then not paying taxes on it is beyond most people's stupidity threshold.
would prove nothing if he was using poker to launder his dad's money.
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01-02-2022 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Thing is Bodog was far softer than the major poker sites back in the day. At least that was the always the case when I played online poker. Players like Doug wouldn't realize or care about that because Doug was hunting for glory and would never "waste" his time playing on an untracked site regardless of how much money could be won there.
Bodog was beyond soft. And for a long time there was no real tracking of any sites.When I started playing there in 2005 tableratings and sites like it didn't exist. I remember learning how to play NL and making 20ish dollars PER TABLE HOUR in 1/2 nl playing something like 13/4 stats when they had a 3 table max and games were 9 handed.I remember NEVER playing a 1/2 table with an average pot of lower than 50 dollars and they were usually a lot higher.

The highest I played there regualrly was 5/10 nl with maybe 5-10 pct in 10/20nl once I had moved up to 5/10. I had a 55k month there once playing 5/10 nl and the craziest thing about that was halfway through the month I was stuck like 15k. It was my first real "big" downswing on the site and I remember a week or so before Christmas being kind of mentally ****ed up bc I thought I was going to have my first losing month on there. I laugh at my old self now about how much it was messing with my head, but I had basically been playing for maybe a year or so at that point and just hadn't experienced losing money like that yet. Could he be lying about the 400k month? Sure. But I think if someone ran hotter than the sun it was possible in 10/20 nl. I was playing super nitty (not 13/4 anymore but stilly nitty) at half the stakes full ring and had a 70 buy in upswing in 2 or so weeks. 200 heads up isn't impossible. Once the UIGEA hit and neteller got shut down in the US games got a ton worse literally overnight.The amount of 5/10 and 10/20 nl tables dropped by probably 80 percent and obviously had a huge trickle down effect.The games were still very good but nothing compared to the pre UIGEA games.

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01-02-2022 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Bodog was beyond soft. And for a long time there was no real tracking of any sites.When I started playing there in 2005 tableratings and sites like it didn't exist. I remember learning how to play NL and making 20ish dollars PER TABLE HOUR in 1/2 nl playing something like 13/4 stats when they had a 3 table max and games were 9 handed.I remember NEVER playing a 1/2 table with an average pot of lower than 50 dollars and they were usually a lot higher.

The highest I played there regualrly was 5/10 nl with maybe 5-10 pct in 10/20nl once I had moved up to 5/10. I had a 55k month there once playing 5/10 nl and the craziest thing about that was halfway through the month I was stuck like 15k. It was my first real "big" downswing on the site and I remember a week or so before Christmas being kind of mentally ****ed up bc I thought I was going to have my first losing month on there. I laugh at my old self now about how much it was messing with my head, but I had basically been playing for maybe a year or so at that point and just hadn't experienced losing money like that yet. Could he be lying about the 400k month? Sure. But I think if someone ran hotter than the sun it was possible in 10/20 nl. I was playing super nitty (not 13/4 anymore but stilly nitty) at half the stakes full ring and had a 70 buy in upswing in 2 or so weeks. 200 heads up isn't impossible. Once the UIGEA hit and neteller got shut down in the US games got a ton worse literally overnight.The amount of 5/10 and 10/20 nl tables dropped by probably 80 percent and obviously had a huge trickle down effect.The games were still very good but nothing compared to the pre UIGEA games.
Awesome story.

Do you think these kind of games would ever be possible again if entire US went legal?
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01-02-2022 , 06:24 AM
This must be the 7 2 hand he talked about vs Katzenburg

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-7-2-a-678274/
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01-02-2022 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Genius84
This must be the 7 2 hand he talked about vs Katzenburg

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-7-2-a-678274/
Haha. Polk already being annoying in that thread as well

Maybe he secretly likes Dan Bilzerian? And just wants the best for him? Maybe even be buddies.
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01-02-2022 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
would prove nothing if he was using poker to launder his dad's money.
Money launderers don't usually choose the laundering option that has a 40-50% vigorish.
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01-02-2022 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
Do you think these kind of games would ever be possible again if entire US went legal?
You making plans for 50+ years from now?
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01-02-2022 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Eh people are just different.
I get along amazingly well with my brother, same parents close in age grew up together etc but we're totally different in almost every possible way possible. I'm good at things he's terrible at, he's good at things I'm terrible at,we like different things, he's never played 1 hand of poker in his life, he's way more outgoing than me etc. It's not like we were raised differently or given different things that made us this way,it's just the way we were born.
Yeah, but Adam and Dan do both play poker. You'd think if Adam had all this money too from his dad, he'd be playing more than grinding the 1500s at the WSOP
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01-02-2022 , 11:31 AM
Adam is grinding 1500s?

Strange since he only has 10 lifetime cashes on Hendon, none since 2016, and 7 of his cashes are in $10ks or larger including a cash in 2014 in a $100k Super High Roller.
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01-02-2022 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
Awesome story.

Do you think these kind of games would ever be possible again if entire US went legal?
absolutely not.zero chance of even being close to that good.
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01-02-2022 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Money launderers don't usually choose the laundering option that has a 40-50% vigorish.
how 40-50? most years the top rate was only 28%, you only pay self employment tax on the first 110k or so , if he filed in Nevada 0 state tax. 28 percent for laundered money his dad swindled seems pretty good.
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01-02-2022 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Yeah, but Adam and Dan do both play poker. You'd think if Adam had all this money too from his dad, he'd be playing more than grinding the 1500s at the WSOP
or he doesn't care that much about poker and plays once in a while for fun.
He's not MM out there grinding the entire WSOP calendar to scrape out a living.
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01-02-2022 , 04:10 PM
anyone who believes bilzerian please watch the HU match on 10/20 on youtube. there is no chance he made money from poker.
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01-02-2022 , 04:15 PM
We've all seen that before. Of course some of the nerds ITT have never donked around at small stakes for fun.
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01-02-2022 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
how 40-50? most years the top rate was only 28%, you only pay self employment tax on the first 110k or so , if he filed in Nevada 0 state tax. 28 percent for laundered money his dad swindled seems pretty good.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/stat...come-tax-rates
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01-02-2022 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vkartmann
anyone who believes bilzerian please watch the HU match on 10/20 on youtube. there is no chance he made money from poker.
Old news. Also, those stakes are the equivalent of what micro's are to us. He did look clueless, but if he professed to play up to his incompetent trust fund kid image most of his life, splashing around in some garbage stakes for him for the world to see would be a +EV move if it'd influence how players play against him when there's a couple mill on the table.
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