The bit about Dwan playing methed up Chinese guys was ****ing class.

If I had to bet I'd say he at some point got some cash to start out he didn't win but I can believe in that world there's people who are just OK at Poker who have won a ****ing love of money.

Man it would be fun to have Dwan just spill the beans on everything.

That's not how real life works. That's why it's hard to understand. Whales don't know WHO the sharks are and if that was actually true and Dan was a good player then HE wouldn't have been invited either. And I ain't buying the 2003-2008 stuff. We had lots of resources to see who was excelling at poker and his name NEVER came up.

Also, how many successful poker players do you know who have had and STILL have a private jet. Name all the poker players you have known to enjoy that level of success.

Anyone trying to defend this is doing mental gymnastics and it's delusional. Obviously he has money. Obviously it isn't primarily from poker.

Swoop obviously meant before that. If you watch the video or read this thread you'd know the discussion is over whether or not Dan made his fortune by playing poker.

Also, Dan mentions in the interview that his dad bought him a jeep for completing hell week. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure there were accusations about him completing it a few years back. He allegedly dropped out. Either way, surely his dad bought him a car.

And these same people also believe that Mikki Masse is completely above board! Quite remarkable they will believe anything these guys say

I obviously have no clue what really happend, but I would assume he was winning judging by the wording of posts like the following:

As for him winning 200 buy-ins at 10/20 in a single month, who the **** knows. I think the key is he says he was 3-tabling at the time.

Insane win rates were attainable back then.

This is what the biggest winner on PartyPoker 5/10 NL did in 2005 lol

Then again, he did it playing 8 tables, I think.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ickedu-103586/
https://web.archive.org/web/20080118...fpart=all&vc=1

My guess is Bilzerian was a winner before UIGEA passed, but his numbers are waaaaaay off.

This is from July of 2008:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=140

As for the interview, I agree with the guy who made a post about how he liked 30 minutes in the middle and basically hated all the rest. I enjoyed the part where they tried to have a normal conversation, but other than that they came off like fools. DP acting like he's a federal prosecutor and going on about how Poker is SUPER TOUGH, SUPER TOUGH to learn, good lord, what a depressing **** show.

dingdongdonkey,
1. Those quotes prove exactly nothing. They barely suggest anything.
2. ~20bb/100 over ~20k hands isn't so unattainable either, nor is it relevant as it's not Dan's sample. Could be positive variance, could be shorthanded/HU play, etc.
3. Calling based on emotions and not maths is extreme fish behavior.

'never got a cent of his dads money' sounds pretty clearly like he didn't watch the video otherwise he would (or should) clarify that he acknowledges Dan's acknowledgment that he received millions from his dad and was instead referring to other monies that could have been transferred prior (specifically seed money to get Dan started on his poker career).

Forgive me if someone else's poor word choice and my lack of following this thread since the beginning has contributed to a situation where I misunderstand what's being said and its mutually understood between, apparently, you and swoop and presumably others who follow this thread?

I watched all the same stuff you watched, at least the first 50 minutes.
Doug sounded like a guy who's been in poker all his life with his anecdote about how Dan's dad could have made a 500k-1mil propbet and had the cash given to Dan. Large propbets are mainly a feature of the gambling world, and that's Doug's world and mainly what he knows. So anyway imo Dan's explanations of why he wouldn't have been to able to get cash or other monies from his Dad that wouldn't have been passed through the trust was pretty plausible.

My comments are limited to what I watched.

Waldo,
Who knows if he watched the video? Who cares if he knew about being gifted a couple of million a couple decades after the events being discussed took place? Completely irrelevant. I feel like I'm repeating myself.

The prop bet scenario was simply a roundabout way of saying that laundering cash would not have been a problem, without actually alluding to his father being criminal minded.

Did you also find Dan's reasoning for why his dad absolutely couldn't have supplied him with funds being that brokers on Wall Street aren't paid in cash?

It's OK to like the guy, but at least try to use some common sense and objective analysis.

Watch the video and it will resolve your questions.
For example: Dan ran his own game. He didn't need to be invited.

Ah, the classic capitulation to 'you're just biased because you like the guy.'
I only know the standard stuff about DB: girls, money, lifestyle, seems like a fish when playing as gastrader on ACR, rumors about where his money came from.
I'm a fan of DP generally, watched with glee as he destroyed DN in that HU challenge, and have always enjoyed his videos and sense of humor. I was surprised at how poorly he defended his POV in the video at least wrt chopping up Dan's comments.

There was no capitulation. You're either not reading my posts, misunderstanding them or bring purposefully obtuse. Either way, this is my capitulation.

i doubt it that's hard to get the money over here and the gov't really doesn't give a **** if he pays taxes on it

thank god, would not get a beer with

What do you mean by just after? There's a 20 year time gap, and Dan won more in one year from 3 players than his Dad had go missing.

If he did receive money from his father, I'd argue his wins are just as impressive because trust fund babies are supposed to be the huge donators not the guys beating people for tens of millions.

BTW, I can't imagine many trust fund babies have been through Hell Week once much less twice. His dad giving him large sums of money at a young age doesn't really jive with that.

And his dad just gave it to Dan rather than to Adam who lives overseas and pays no US taxes? Also doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I respect all viewpoints on love, sex and relationships (except the obvious illegal ones), but it was funny as a 'guilty until proven innocent' question, particularly when asked in a context of morality and civilization towards other human beings.

lolz. regardless if you are blizz fanboy or not, Ike bringing the lolz.

But in that twitter thead , Ike also hitting the main point of why blizz is just a gross human being... incessant glorification of the objectification of woman. plays well for his mostly adolescent male fan base, but given how impressionable they are, he is by far a net negative on society.

Bilz very obviously came off better in the interview than Polk did. I see a lot of bitterness and jealousy that a mook explotative style player is winning so much when you gto nerds make pennies comparatively

Y do u care so much about bilz

The numbers don't add up on either side for me.

Dan won pre-BF: did he really make 6mil for his jet plus his lifestyle? That's 300 buyins of 200/100, the biggest game he mentions, while being on coke and Xanax the entire time. I can't see someone climbing from micro cash to biggest Vegas games even back then. Saw video from Ksino with Robl saying Dan constantly losing to him and Dan had the lamest apt/condo. And he's still too scared to play the freeroll winner?

Dan made it private: for hosting home game, he'd have tax return or admitting to tax fraud. Molly Bloom made 4mil in her biggest year and max he was doing it for 10 years. He said when he was playing a game with 18mil stack he was super stressed so how's he with 200m? If he won 70mil total and playing $25k/10k, he is on 30 buyins and never hits variance? Why blow up his trust fund kid image all of the sudden?

Dan got it all from Dad: I read 150mil unaccounted for and only 5mil in trust fund, so how could it all come from Dad?

Why is gg backing this guy and not forcing him into heads up match?

When you run a bluff without any idea which hand you want to rep so you go for a medium size bet to loosely cover all the bases

The best part was the 10 to 1 HU challenge and the rest all lies.

Sounds like you are an old fossil, an ancient relic that is still against the empowerment of women through social media. Sorry gramps, this isn't 2008 anymore.

Off shore bank much?

Using US Based trust laws to pass around money you are trying to keep out of reach of US govt and IRS, not meta.

Using off shore banking to pass money around you are trying to keep out of reach of US govt and IRS is meta. always has been always will be. poker tales make it even more meta

please stop with the Trust talk. its irrelevant and diversion away from the meat of this story. tax evasion.

Dad got the money from selling off businesses with listed assets, not drug dealing. So how much he should have had should be known. Sorry to not understand the meta or meat or whatever

sort of kind of, but nah.

"SEC Judgment Against Raider Paul Bilzerian: $62 Million. Collected: $3.7 Million"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-dec...ent-1410892550