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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

04-06-2020 , 12:08 PM
Yea because that will be popular to play Live at a casino with the same jacked up rake and $2 Jackpot likely.
04-06-2020 , 12:13 PM
Well that part would have to change of course. But the lower rake would be offset somewhat by more hands being played. The fact that something like full ring PLO has existed for all these years is totally bat**** insane
04-06-2020 , 01:22 PM
The fact that you think 6 max is social distancing and full ring is not is batshit insane.
04-06-2020 , 02:12 PM
Lol at lower rake if 6 max became the standard.
04-06-2020 , 03:26 PM
Boris Johnson now in ICU.
Not a massive fan his, but he's my Prime Minister and I'm rooting for the man.
04-06-2020 , 03:31 PM
They said he has no underlying condition but he is overweight, which isn't good.
04-06-2020 , 03:45 PM
04-06-2020 , 03:49 PM
04-06-2020 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Boris Johnson now in ICU.
Not a massive fan his, but he's my Prime Minister and I'm rooting for the man.
Same here, hes the 2nd prime minister left to fix the mess that cameron walked away from, neither of them really wanted the job (because you can't ever win) and Boris is marmite, I kinda like him, but even if you don't, he doesnt deserve to fall. Sad times.

Read some of the thread from the beginning, a few people seem to have vanished, having said that it was ridiculous and we wouldnt even remember it during the WSOP - totally under estimated it. Also concerning that a lot of people think it will still go ahead, or that cancelling a week before is totally fine. They don't realise that a lot of people wont come now, no matter what.
04-06-2020 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
If the self-test that gets results in 5 minutes becomes widespread and easy to acquire, couldn’t casinos fully reopen but require all customers to take the test before entering? (You’d also have to test your employees everyday I suppose.)
This makes some sense in theory but I don't know the logistics of it. Even if you test "negative" you can become a carrier at any time by simply interacting with somebody. Are they going to be testing people every time they enter the building? How reliable are the tests? I'm not certain this is manageable. But perhaps I'm wrong.

I think a more manageable scenario is one in which they do some random testing prior to entry. And at the same time screen EVERYBODY for symptoms (fever). I believe they are already doing this in Chinese metro stations using an infrared-detector to check temperature. If a person has a temperature they must have a COVID test prior to being allowed to enter.
04-06-2020 , 05:27 PM
British Open (golf) scheduled for July has been cancelled completely (first time since WWII), and various other golf tournaments have been rescheduled for much later in the year.
04-06-2020 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by weirdmonkey
The CDC estimates that 300,000 to 650,000 people die from the common flu each year. That breaks down to 30,000ish deaths per month on the lower end. We're three months into the year... so it looks like we've yet to hit the pace of the lower-end estimates for common flu deaths at this point. Obviously the deaths will grow, but growth in new cases is slowing down in most of the hard-hit countries (which could be due to social distancing, but natural disease course could also be a factor).

The CDC pegs the CFR of the flu at .1% and estimates that 8.6% of the population is infected in a season. So
if this virus is 2x more deadly and 2x more infectious than the flu, we would see 16% of the population infected and 4x the deaths with no interventions whatsoever. But that does not imply that hospitals would reach critical mass like the first models suggested.

The early models were built on assumptions about the R0 and CFR that new evidence is contradicting. We still don't know anything for sure. But it's useful to re-evaluate our priors when new information is presented so that a more reasonable approach might be considered in the future.

But this is the kinda reaction I'm talking about in my last post that has me worried. People aren't will to consider information that challenges their narrative.
I've just briefly scanned you posts, so I am willing to accept the idea that I am not understanding what you are saying, but I feel like the stats you have mentioned are not accurate. Last I saw the current estimate for CFR for Covid-19 is about 1%, or 10x that of flu. And this is not even close to what the current observed CFR is (5%+). I haven't seen recent estimates for R0, but based on what I saw two weeks ago, I think it would be fair to say Covid 19 is 1.25x to 2x as contageous as regular flu. So, left to its own devices and even ignoring deaths from lack of healthcare availability, this disease is capable of killing close to a million Americans which is on the order of 20x more than flu

I am totally on board with the notion that the cure has its own set of devastating consequences. And the cure needs to be constantly updated based on the reality of the moment. But I think it would wrong to say the cure has been improper. The only way that will happen is if, after all that has been done, we still see many hundreds of thousands of deaths. And if that happens, we are going to have to re-think everything, both from an epidemiological standpoint, and a governance standpoint too. Saving 20x lives is likely worth it. If that number starts getting down into the low single digits, I think the answer will quickly become no.
04-06-2020 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by weirdmonkey
The CDC estimates that 300,000 to 650,000 people die from the common flu each year. That breaks down to 30,000ish deaths per month on the lower end. We're three months into the year... so it looks like we've yet to hit the pace of the lower-end estimates for common flu deaths at this point. Obviously the deaths will grow, but growth in new cases is slowing down in most of the hard-hit countries (which could be due to social distancing, but natural disease course could also be a factor).
Its about social distancing, isolation, hand washing, etc.

Covid-19 is especially prone to being spread because people who don't even have any symptoms are able to spread it.

At the start of the outbreak estimates were made that this disease spreads at a rate of 2.3 per person that catches it. fivethirtyeight.com recently noted that estimates are now up to 3 per person infected. And that it takes about 4 to 5 days for that person to infect 3 new people.

Unchecked (which is to say if we kept partying, gathering socially, playing poker, etc.) this would spread to roughly 60% to 70% of the world's population in 3.5 to ~5 months depending on which contagion factor you used. I imagine that at some point the spread rate drops to less than 2.3 in some regions based on immunity from those who have already gotten it (assuming that there is immunity to Covid-19 developed from having the virus). So it might take more like a year or more for 60% to 70% of the population to get it (most experts I have heard or read say that between 60% to 70% of the population would ultimately be infected with no defensive measures taken and no vaccine available).

Even if the death rate was about %0.67 that would be about 50,000,000 people dead worldwide. And roughly 2,300,000 in the US.

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The CDC pegs the CFR of the flu at .1% and estimates that 8.6% of the population is infected in a season. So
if this virus is 2x more deadly and 2x more infectious than the flu, we would see 16% of the population infected and 4x the deaths with no interventions whatsoever.
This would be true if Covid-19 had run through the population before (as every flu that you are referencing has) and people had built up immunity to it over the years. And it might be true if there were a vaccine for Covid-19 as there are flu vaccines that inhibit the spread of most flus. But it hasn't and there isn't.

And that means that there is no way to slow it down or stop it short of limiting contact between people. For now. Until a vaccine is found.

Germany is now testing a 100 year old vaccine for Tuberulosis to see if the body's ramping up of its respiratory defenses will help kill the virus before it takes hold.

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But that does not imply that hospitals would reach critical mass like the first models suggested.
We no longer need models to see that hospitals are being swamped even given extreme lockdown measures as have been taken in NYC and Italy.

In Italy they have begun choosing who will not get ventilators. Now it is true that a ventilator will probably only save the life of maybe 30% of all people who need them. But the "Death Panels" have begun.

What is even worse is the shortage of respirators (masks). So the medical professionals are now getting sick/dying at an alarming rate making getting proper care in slammed regions even harder.

So the death rate of 0.67% or even 1% could be off by a factor of anything. And you would also have to factor in the deaths of people who needed unavailable ventilators, hospital rooms, and/or doctors for other reasons.

This IMO is why many US Governors and South Korea have taken amazingly aggressive action to limit the spread of the virus.

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The early models were built on assumptions about the R0 and CFR that new evidence is contradicting. We still don't know anything for sure. But it's useful to re-evaluate our priors when new information is presented so that a more reasonable approach might be considered in the future.
It will probably be a long time before we will know anything for sure.

We have no idea how many people are infected. And until testing is massively ramped up those numbers will not be known.

We also probably don't know how many people have died of Covid-19. Some of that is politically motivated. And some of it is just a lack of testing availability in most countries.

Perhaps once the antibody testing is up and running they can do studies on random populations to see what % were infected. And also conceivably they could correlate death rates once the infection %'s are known.

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But this is the kinda reaction I'm talking about in my last post that has me worried. People aren't willing to consider information that challenges their narrative.
Lets see what happens...
04-06-2020 , 09:16 PM





Last edited by parisron; 04-06-2020 at 09:23 PM.
04-06-2020 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron


Sounds promising re MLB.

How about bringing the NBA to Las Vegas, plenty of courts and plenty of hotel space ..... enforce social distancing, make the hotels off limits to the public, and they won't lose out on that media money....

However, the P2P transmission danger would still be high v. that in Baseball

However, if legal brothels can manage to test hookers in Nye County for STDs, then the NBA should be able to test players before games....

Last edited by Gzesh; 04-06-2020 at 09:28 PM.
04-06-2020 , 09:23 PM
Yea they have been talking about NBA in Las Vegas.
04-06-2020 , 09:41 PM
Once those 5 minute Covid-19 tests and antibody tests become widely available I could see sports leagues getting started again without fans in the stands. Golf seems like the sport that could get going fastest.
04-06-2020 , 09:47 PM
Yea golf already has some events scheduled, Open Championship June 16th was cancelled.

04-06-2020 , 11:21 PM
04-06-2020 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Yea they have been talking about NBA in Las Vegas.
Yes, and I've also seen the suggestion of the NHL in, of all places, North Dakota.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...eason-resumes/
04-07-2020 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by weirdmonkey
I worry that this logic is flawed. It's possible that the doom-scenario models underrated the contagiousness and overrated the lethality of this thing. Hospitalizations in NYC have been relatively flat for two weeks, with the peak happening before the lockdown started. There's evidence that the CFR could be as low as .1-.2%.
Just want to make an important correction. You said evidence CFR could be as low as .1-.2% but then linked to a tweet about IFR. Those are very, very different thngs.
04-07-2020 , 06:59 AM
Yikes! The team at IHME have just started projecting numbers for European countries alongside their data for US states. The model is at an early stage, but it has terrifying figures for the UK that are about three times higher than the UK government's own projections.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom
04-07-2020 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
When it got out of Hubei, the virus spread most rapidly via travel hubs like Seattle, New York, LA, Singapore, Tokyo-Yokohama, London, Paris, and Milan that have large ex-pat Chinese communities and/or strong trading links with China. It then spread out from those cities. At the start of the international pandemic, Covid-19 was a disease mostly affecting middle class people that travel the world (some of the UK's first cases had been skiing in Lombardy, many others had been on cruises), but community transmission means it will now reach everywhere. It just takes time to do so. This is a bit of a simplification, but basically it's the rich countries that suffer first, then the poor.
Mexico, India, and Brazil are gonna be major flashpoints in the coming weeks and months, but the more isolated places won't have their peaks until later.

So far, the worst affected African countries (according to official statistics) are Algeria, Morocco, and Egypt, which all have Mediterranean coasts and close links with Europe. (Each of those currently has <200 confirmed Covid deaths). But the virus has already killed people in Senegal, Congo, Cameroon and Nigeria. One thing African countries have in their favour is that the population has a lower average age than elsewhere, but the number of African cases is going to explode in the coming months. I expect over a hundred million people will get infected.
Do you know how humid India is?
04-07-2020 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Yikes! The team at IHME have just started projecting numbers for European countries alongside their data for US states. The model is at an early stage, but it has terrifying figures for the UK that are about three times higher than the UK government's own projections.
Wow, I find that surprising given how the numbers have been looking there over the last week. But...I was also surprised at those numbers given how it seemed the UK were holding on to a "herd immunity" strategy pretty late in the game, so perhaps this is just a calm before the storm. I hope not.
04-07-2020 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Do you know how humid India is?
India is very humid, but I fail to see your point here.

      
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