Someone PM Mike McDonald and ask him to put this as a prop on pokershares

So what's the rake/jackpot drop? PLO dealt at all? Do they close at two? My local room closed ...

Bobo why'd you pull this out of Live Poker rooms? This should have new category there: Live Poker Rooms: Open and Smokin

happy to be german now.

self-righteous, arrogant, currently still stupidly leaded idiots, but best healthcare there is.

LOL. AFAICT, it was its own NVG thread, and merged into this one. Don't look at me.

If you want objective data, look at sites like https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus and https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
If you want to read trustworthy news articles from all over the world via a pleasant interface, I recommend https://bing.com/covid
(I was amazed as anyone that Bing built a functional Covid news tracker in record time, as I never use their search engine, but it's a great resource if you want to know what's happening specifically in any country - or US state - you care to name.)

Mainland China is clearly over the worst of its problems, as the graph plotting its total death toll started levelling off some time ago, and on some days this week the country officially had zero new cases that weren't imported from elsewhere.



The world pandemic is nowhere near the peak. The outbreaks in many countries are just getting started. Indeed, the doubling rate across the world (including China) has fallen to 8 days (from about 30 a week ago). In other words, whatever is today's worldwide case number is set to double by next weekend. (The doubling rate in Western Europe and the US is currently a terrifying 1-2 days, which means their graphs are basically on the steepest gradient possible, but the rate of increase in cases and deaths will soon slow down, partly because of suppression measures, even though the total numbers of cases and deaths will keep rising.)

It's probable that none of these populous countries has yet reached its peak daily fatality number:


(The US CoVid fatality graph has a similar shape and currently lies between France and the UK, but will almost certainly end up smashing their figures out of sight, not least because it has a much larger population.)

Get real guy. I also hope that our internet/services maintain normal working order, and it is certainly not my highest concern.

While we germans stock up on toilet paper and noodles, the french buy red vine and condoms.... lol media...
But seems right when looking at the stats in the post two clicks above me.

I might add that I dont trust chinese numbers, but they surely dont trust our numbers, too....

Let's wash hands religiously, and dont infect the olds. Next year, everything will be cool.
It'll be like the flu, permanently there...
It's just a question of time, and how smart we are in protecting old people until we got some vacine or how u call it.

3-4 weeks until peak in germany/Europe, and some time afterwards, people will get to know its been there before, treated as flu, not tested as corona. IMHO.

Still dangerous, ofc.

German's stock up on sausages and cheese. It's the "Wurst-Käse scenario".

Governments' advice not to stock pile / stock up with food and other essential supplies is the biggest load of nonsense ever and I think 99% of people know/knew that, or now realise it even if at first they agreed with the government advice.

I am not supporting massive over stock piling, e.g. buying 2 to 3 x the amount you reasonably need to cover a ~3 month period, but 3 months cover is perfectly reasonable in my opinion, and even more reasonable if you didn't stock pile until you saw many others do it first.

It is like if you are in a theatre / auditorium etc and the row of people directly in front of you all stand up mid performance, then you have to stand up to see, and then the row behind you has to do the same, and so on and so forth.

Additional to the effect described above, by most people stocking up it will have naturally stimulated much greater production by most food growers, suppliers, manufacturers and processors. Without the sharp increase in purchasing and demand, most of such extra production would not happen and then the population would be in an even bigger mess when confinement to our homes becomes absolutely necessary or compulsory, and of course we are already seeing this in many cities, or countries and it will probably become more prevalent.

Also, if this thing gets way worse then the supply chain itself may become badly disrupted if many or even some of its many personnel from farm right through to retailer fall sick.

I do get it why governments keep saying "don't panic, there is enough for everyone", because they have to say that to sound governmental and in control, but they are actually completely wrong, for all of the reasons above.

Sure do not stock pile to the point of greed or as a strategy to later sell on the black market, but reasonable stock piling for you and your dependants to survive ~3 months is totally fine and the sensible thing to do.

3 months? It's only taken a small percentage of people to stock up for 2-3 months, and everyone else buying a little more than they normally would, and we've got grocery stores that are struggling to keep the shelves full, or in the case of some items, anything on the shelves at all. And sadly, the people mainly affected are the most vulnerable who either don't have the money to buy more than what they need for a few days, or the space to store those kind of provisions, or both.

I agree that there will be some victims with stock piling, but the overall population wide hardship and chaos that would/will be caused by the whole population only having 3 to 7 days of food and supplies at the exact point that governments impose lockdowns would be far, far greater and insurmountable.

Of course we should also look after others, check that the elderly, the poor, the infirm, the homeless, also have enough to survive, whether they are our own relatives or not, but we are and will be far less able to do this if we take the government's bad advice to carry on as normal with a mere few days of supplies.

And I think this will happen if lockdowns are wide spread, many people will start to own up to having way more than they need of certain things and donate to those more in need, and many people will donate regardless. I can see "self-rationing" becoming a phrase.

I already feel that way because I have 3 months supplies but am thinking what if this thing lasts 6 or 9 months, so I am thinking that I should start slowing down consumption of my supplies right now.

If most of us don't ensure our own survival first then we won't be in a position to help others if a full blown crisis happens.

A friend of mine who is young and able and who has a large family, told me yesterday that he has spent the last week stocking up all of his elderly relatives. I think this is a great thing.

And again I do agree that there will be elderly people who don't have a younger relative who is able or willing to help like this but I do believe that as communities we will help others that we don't know personally, but we have to have the supplies and the increased production in the first place. Not having this would be a complete disaster in a crisis.

To some small extent this might be true but there's a significant loss of dignity when hospitals get overwhelmed. Many Italians last saw their older relatives in decent health when suddenly they were rushed off to hospital, never to be seen again. No chance of offering any comfort, everyone dies alone with no hope of seeing their loved ones again. Next stop, the crematory.

I think this will leave a much larger trauma, for everyone, than what transpires during normal flu seasons where hospitals have a better chance to cope.

There's a lot of room between 3-7 days, and 3 months. And maybe it's different in your area, but I've never heard a government official suggest only 3-7 days, or any number, for that matter. Here, anyway, they just ask that people buy just what they need; that they don't hoard.

I guess I'm wondering what it is you expect to happen; maybe that's why our attitudes differ. Even in the most severe outbreaks and subsequent lockdowns in China and Italy, people are able to go out and get food. Why would you need enough to last any longer than you might have to quarantine yourself for, were you to get sick?

And even in some "end of days" type scenario, most of us likely have a lot more food than we really think we do. I've done no major shopping since things started getting a little more serious in the last week or so - nothing beyond what we need for the next several days. But if I were to start going through our cupboards, fridge, and freezer, we probably have enough to subsist on for a couple months anyway. It would mean eating a lot of the same thing, but we're not going to starve any time soon.

I think it is very unpredictable regarding time scales because I am not confident that I trust China's figures, so that only leaves South Korea of the two countries that have flattened "the curve" that I trust the figures of, plus both of those countries are either at or close geographically to the source of the outbreak, and indeed to previous pandemics, so would naturally take it far more seriously than "The West" and other regions, and they are both countries that have a far higher degree of collective community responsibility ingrained into their culture, and/or forced upon them by their in built political systems.

The 3 months supplies that I have bought is mostly subsistence food, bland carbohydrates and tinned food, so much so that I have carefully selected and bought the best timed-release multivitamins that I could find as the actual food I have is deficient in many vitamins and minerals.

I do fear a big escalation in European and North American countries and think that it's a race against time to get enough healthcare capacity to cope with a big spike in cases, as well as obviously to find better treatments and ultimately a vaccine.

Some Asian, African, South American and Oceanic countries could also of course see the number of cases blow up such is the exponential nature of transmission.

My brother who lives in Thailand told me that there is mass complacency there and that there have been a large number of Chinese tourists there recently where he lives and that the threat of the virus is not really on anyone's radar yet.

My brother himself is very complacent about it.

Sure, the time scales are unpredictable. I take no issue with that. Why the need to stock up for the entire duration? Are you also foreseeing a collapse of the supply chain, which we haven't seen yet anywhere else?

Yes I am worried about a collapse or major disruption of the supply chain, particularly if multiple nations' cases spike, because disruptions to the supply chain would happen internally domestically, and to make things even worse imports would also be affected because hitherto large exporters of food commodities as well as personal care products would cease a lot of their exports to protect their own domestic supply.

Of course I hope none of this happens but I think there is a realistic chance that some or many of these damaging scenarios will happen.

Hahaaa. Thank you.

Yesterday I got so wasted that I was stuck at:
Well great the numbers from China are not to be trusted and the numbers from Europe and USA unforeseeable. So we are basically fxxxxx.

But no ! We still have the numbers of Korea and Singapore! Guys we know how to deal with this.
Flatten the curve. Flatten the curve!

Keep your heads up!

And taking things a stage further...…. if governments' rescue fund packages in part cease, even though they claim that they will do "whatever it takes" to stop the economy from falling apart, then we could be in a situation where there is a big shortage of planes and ships to transport goods because those businesses have gone under.

I do think that at a certain point governments may have to let some businesses go to the way side and stop propping them up, for fear of creating hyperinflation and will make protecting individual citizens the priority over large corporations and companies.

All of these rescue packages are tantamount to printing money which has to be very inflationary if it carries on for a long period.

It was a century ago and there were far less built and present assets in the economy/economies back then but for anyone not familiar with it here is some interesting reading about the German Weimar Republic and hyperinflation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar...Hyperinflation

Thanks!
But guys there has to be an error!

This difference in numbers is incredible. Can anyone explain how this is possible?

I mean S Korea has 8000 cases amd 100 fatalities. Which is
0.8%

And Italy has 40k and 4k

Of course I know people talked about this difference before. But honestly how is this even possible?
Yes u will say testing and older population... But I mean for real..

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
https://bing.com/covid

People who are comparing China and the US as far as infection rates go are delusional. China is an authoritarian nation that basically shut the whole country down by force very quickly. Here is the USA we had a Democratic primary only a couple of days ago with millions of people lined up for hours and crowded into small rooms. We still have beaches in florida packed with tens of thousands of people. Our chance to stifle and mitigate the rate of growth is over. This is an example of what is being done by the Chinse government to stop the spread of the virus:

https://twitter.com/CarolYujiaYin/st...83581325778944

This isn't an argument that we should adopt Chinese style authoritarianism, just a reality check to people trying to make comparisons between here and China as far as the virus goes.

Korea tested the hell out of everyone, Italy is old

To answer my own question:

In Italy, 90% of the more than 1,000 deaths occur in those 70 or older.

By contrast, the outbreak in South Korea has occurred among much younger people. There, only 20% of cases have been diagnosed in those 60 years old and up. The largest affected group is those in their 20s, who account for almost 30% of all cases.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...itz/index.html

Has it occurred to you that the problem is highly unlikely, unless everyone decides to use your solution? One step beyond a solution in search of a problem - it's a solution that creates the problem!

I don't think you really needed to, as sixfour already did so, more succinctly, and included the part that you missed.

China didn't ask people nicely to stay home
S Koreans work together to avoid social shame
Italy is a rather stubborn bunch much like the UK..they won't let a flu get them down
America has 5 stages
Stage 1 it won't happen here
Stage 2 it's happening here, but it's the fault of foreigners
Stage 3 it's happening here, but it won't be as bad as everywhere so we're good
Stage 4 it's happening here, and it might turn out to be a problem, but it's best to address it in a confusing and haphazard way
Stage 5 uh oh