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Prison reform, bail, incarceration (formerly "Kyle Rittenhouse trial" thread) Prison reform, bail, incarceration (formerly "Kyle Rittenhouse trial" thread)

11-20-2021 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
2.5 months in jail raising a $2 million bail are formal consequences.
It's fine to think that acquittal was the correct result under the prevailing legal standard. But let's not pretend like Rittenhouse was victimized here.
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11-20-2021 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
The prosecutor just wanted this attention and this high profile case on his record. He knew he wasn’t winning. He didn’t have a case to present. It’s weird people
thought there was going to be a different outcome to a case with clear evidence on video. I could see why they’d to it without the video because then they could lie about it. But this was a pretty simple one
Attention for what ? He's a state worker not a high profile attorney trying to up his billable rate.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know his motivations but I'm saying it's very likely that he was just prosecuting this trial like he does every case that's brought before him and this time, for various reason, it didn't work.

One trick ponies have their trick.

I agree that the jury returned the more reasonable verdict given the evidence we've all seen. But I'm pretty sure with the same evidence, in a normal profile case KR goes to jail at least a majority of the time.
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11-20-2021 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Attention for what ? He's a state worker not a high profile attorney trying to up his billable rate.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know his motivations but I'm saying it's very likely that he was just prosecuting this trial like he does every case that's brought before him and this time, for various reason, it didn't work.

One trick ponies have their trick.

I agree that the jury returned the more reasonable verdict given the evidence we've all seen. But I'm pretty sure with the same evidence, in a normal profile case KR goes to jail at least a majority of the time.
Why would anyone go to jail for this if they were innocent and it’s on video for everyone to see? That’s the weirdest part in all of this.
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11-20-2021 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It's fine to think that acquittal was the correct result under the prevailing legal standard. But let's not pretend like Rittenhouse was victimized here.
There were no victims here unless you count all of us poor souls who rely on the media to get information that's outside of our normal sphere of perception.

When Fox News has the most factual take on the story you know the rest of them aren't even trying.
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11-20-2021 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
Why would anyone go to jail for this if they were innocent and it’s on video for everyone to see? That’s the weirdest part in all of this.
Because the prosecution has the advantage. It happens all the time.

The judge was getting scolded by the left for stopping the prosecution from violating the defendants 5th amendment right. I don't think that happens if the media isn't there and the judge isn't on his best behavior.

Hell, the prosecutor was on his best behavior and he did it. Normally he gets away with it. I'd bet.
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11-20-2021 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
The prosecutor just wanted this attention and this high profile case on his record. He knew he wasn’t winning. He didn’t have a case to present.
Prosecutors typically avoid losing cases like the plague. This case was high-profile, but it wasn't the OJ case or the Manson trial. This prosecutor isn't going to turn into a TV celebrity or write a bestseller merely because he was involved in this case. He is going to wake up tomorrow and have the same job he had a year ago.
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11-20-2021 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
I would have thought that this would be the most obvious position regarding KR's state of mind. I am a little shocked by all the people that felt like he went there with the intent of blowing people away.
I think there are 3 types of people generally who would do what Kyle did in attending in this type of Cosplay way:


1 - a person who, in a good faith have come to believe people of good conscious need to step up and protect property when the police refuse to do so. They want no conflict and think deterrence will be enough.

2 - people like the above but who fantasize about conflict that will allow them to act "righteously" and get praise as a hero after. They won't act without the properly predicated conflict and may even hesitate to act (be scared) in the face of it, but in their Cosplay dreams they are always the hero's if it happens.

3 - People who attend with nefarious intent. They show up wanting to provoke incidents where they then get a chance to legally kill these 'others'. Some when faced with that chance may back down but it was why they attended.




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KR is literally getting a second chance at life. I hope he does well with it.
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Originally Posted by Rococo
For the reasons I said before, I am not hopeful. He probably decided that the people who reflexively supported him and who told him that he didn't do anything wrong (gun nuts, fringe right-wing) are his real friends. And that crowd isn't going to turn his life around.
Yup. He seems to be the type I describe above in Point 2. Someone starved for attention and adulation and who may have honestly hoped for a chance to be a hero and gain some swag. He may not have wanted to actually kill anyone but in his fantasies, in the perfectly formed scenario of him coming to someone's defense that was one of the role play scenarios he was good with.

Now he will return to his community and I think he will be faced with some people who will treat him like a pariah and bad person. A section in the middle who may reserve judgement but find it all off putting and just avoid him. And a certain subsection who will try to make him feel like a victim and a hero. Many of them not from his community.

I think it will be very hard for Kyle not to gravitate towards those who feed him the type of support and community he seemed to so direly want.
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11-20-2021 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by StevenPoke
Well this law in particular was crafted outlaw sawed off shotguns. Had nothing to do with gun lobbies.
it's initial intent may have had nothing to do with gun lobbies but i would be shocked if the gun lobbies, once they realized new laws were being considered did not get their influence in, in some way.

Often they are focused on the micro increments of measurement based on which guns will be excluded or included in the ban and they will advocate for a measurement that purposely does not exclude popular guns like the AR.
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11-20-2021 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
2.5 months in jail raising a $2 million bail are formal consequences.
Not for kiĺling 2 people, no. Other people are in prison for life for possession a few pounds of weed and a pistol. Where is your righteous outrage for them?
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11-20-2021 , 12:39 PM
He needs a lot more luck if he is going to have any chance to make anyhting good of his life now. The bad paths are obvious but what really matter is whether any good ones are available. Nothing will be quick so it's look back in 10-20 years time and see if he makes it.

The whole thing is travesty for all. The failure is systemtic and it wouldn't be resolved if he had been found guilty either. Prevention is what's needed - there is no cure. Get rid of the guns ffs, tear up tht rotten old piece of paper if you have to.
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11-20-2021 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Like who?



Very doubtful
The families of the deceased can/will try to sue him in civil court right? What are their chances?
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11-20-2021 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Really? That surprises me. You don't seem like someone who escalates. (That's not an insult.)
I tried to dodge that question. I'm not escalating now, but did have a bad temper.
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11-20-2021 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Not for kiĺling 2 people, no. Other people are in prison for life for possession a few pounds of weed and a pistol. Where is your righteous outrage for them?
There are countries you can get executed for that.
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11-20-2021 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
The families of the deceased can/will try to sue him in civil court right? What are their chances?
I’m sure they’ll try. They always seem to want money in these cases. For some it’s hard to admit their own child is guilty and made poor choices and lost their lives. Maybe they were bad parents and this could have been avoided?
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11-20-2021 , 12:53 PM
What about justice, besides money as restitution? In this case I think the parents of both sides are equally bad. Now there is only one side to be punished. Might as well punish them, no?
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11-20-2021 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Not for kiĺling 2 people, no. Other people are in prison for life for possession a few pounds of weed and a pistol. Where is your righteous outrage for them?
The difference is one is knowingly committing crimes. Don’t commit crimes and then you don’t go to jail. Why is this concept hard for people? I don’t have pounds of weed and a pistol in my possession because I’d not want to go to jail. Maybe they should change the length of jail time for some of these crimes. But if you just don’t act like a criminal you won’t be treated as one.
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11-20-2021 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
In this case I think the parents of both sides are equally bad. Now there is only one side to be punished. Might as well punish them, no?
Seems the 3 guys got punished for their crimes. Two lost their lives and the other got shot. Hopefully the guy that survived his injuries learns from his poor choices.
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11-20-2021 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
The families of the deceased can/will try to sue him in civil court right? What are their chances?
They certainly can but I would imagine that the success rate would be very low. But if definitely be off.
Unfortunately, RH would prolly make far more than the suit from doners and other **** if it happened.
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11-20-2021 , 12:57 PM
The medic got almost his whole biceps blown off. Didn't know that is possible but apparently it was. F guns, man..

Last edited by washoe; 11-20-2021 at 01:07 PM. Reason: Added Detail
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11-20-2021 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
They certainly can but I would imagine that the success rate would be very low. But if definitely be off.
Unfortunately, RH would prolly make far more than the suit from doners and other **** if it happened.
I did think the 2 million dollars or what they would get would immediately get paid by the gun nuts/lobby.
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11-20-2021 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
The difference is one is knowingly committing crimes. Don’t commit crimes and then you don’t go to jail. Why is this concept hard for people? I don’t have pounds of weed and a pistol in my possession because I’d not want to go to jail. Maybe they should change the length of jail time for some of these crimes. But if you just don’t act like a criminal you won’t be treated as one.
**** you.
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11-20-2021 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I did think the 2 million dollars or what they would get would immediately get paid by the gun nuts/lobby.
I could see a bunch of people that aren’t gun nuts or even gun owners donating funds.
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11-20-2021 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
**** you.
Love you too. You don’t have to use asterisks. Don’t hide your love
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11-20-2021 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
Why would anyone go to jail for this if they were innocent and it’s on video for everyone to see?
This has been covered before.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
Not guilty is very different than innocent.
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11-20-2021 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Like who?



Very doubtful
Anyone that has labeled him a White Supremist early on and continued with that narrative .

Lets remember Nik Sandmann did and CNN settled for what was a large number.

I am not saying he wins but I bet some lawyers would like to try.

Watching CNN last night and the narrative on Don Lemon was Kyle killed BLM protesters


One fact I missed at the trial and not sure if it came up. He says he was there to help people. Id be curious how long passed from the time he showed up to him shooting the 3 thugs oops BLM protesters
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