So you think real estate agents need to be armed ?
This isn't going to end well, is it ?

Why would he need his gun if he’s not on duty?

How on earth does the rest of the world manage to get by without arming pretty young real estate agents?

So you don't trust a person who open carries, but you really don't trust a person who conceal carries?

Maybe. I also wouldn't be against a rape victim conceal carrying providing she got the necessary training.


We'll see...


Two quick reasons that come to mind:

- witnesses a crime and wants to intervene to help a victim.

- is a cop and might have enemies that want to harm him.

We have 17-year-olds slinging AR15's in city streets

Fair point!

Well 1. He shouldn’t be working off the clock (surely the union wouldn’t like that?) and 2. No, “might have enemies” seems like a very thin justification for carrying a weapon around town.

We were talking about people who had a legitimate reason to carry. I said they can open carry which I think is good for society. Keeping people like police and politicians in check is reasonable. Power has a tendency to corrupt.

People with no good reason who feel the need to conceal carry ? I promise you I don't trust them. It's a red flag.

As a Euro donk, can someone explain to me what open carry means? Does it mean someone literally walking around town with a holster on their hip, like in westerns? I assume conceal carry is what it says on the label.

Yeah, basically that’s what it means.

And there are places where civilians do this on an everyday basis?

No, these people are snake-****ing crazy even by American standards.

Seems idealistic. I'm sure when grocery stores are shot up the people in there shopping would prefer if an off-duty is there shopping, that he has his pistol with him and is willing to engage.

If someone carries, they carry every place it is legal for them to do so. It doesn't mean that you'll see 200 people in a grocery store doing it in a state with favorable gun laws, though.

Well, there probably is a huge difference between what you think is a good reason to carry and what another person thinks is a good reason to carry.

I honestly don’t mean to be patronizing here, but literally every other developed nation in the planet has pistol-free grocery stores and none of them think it would be a sweet idea if some of their patrons were packing heat.

They don't have 2A tho bruh.

Believe it or not, this is a way to get around not having a concealed carry permit in some states.

If you can't get your CCW, just open carry! I think that's why the open carry crowd is or seems crazier than average. They couldn't qualify for the concealed permit.

Yes, absolutely.

And that is exactly the problem with allowing open or concealed carry as you get enough difference in what people think is 'reason to carry' that you end up will lots of people carrying unnecessary.

The pretty real estate agent is no where near at as much threat as the person dealing with another who is experiencing road and remembers he has his legal gun with him.

But ya unwarranted 'FEAR' for the realtor is used to open it up for all.

d2 in the two instances in Texas where i witnessed open carry it was on the hip cowboy holster style.

Concealed means only not visible, it can be anywhere, anke, hip, ribs, crotch, or inside a bag. You only need to conceal it, which means not show it.

There are a few good reasons. They apply for it and then it gets decided if they have a reason or not. From the top of my head these are civilians with a concealed weapons permit.

- a stalked woman
- off duty cops
- a jeweler
- someone on witness protection
- a business man, wealthy, fears of kidnapping.
- air marshalls
- a spouse who is in a war of roses
- someone who is the mark of a hitman
- a victim of mobbing
- someone who lives in a really bad area with a lot of crime.

You see, in general it's someone who is at danger of getting attacked, robbed or kidnapped. because they carry a lot of valuables or someone who is on the force.

Everyone else lives in a dangerous neighborhood, is paranoid, or occasionally is in a dangerous place. Some men wants their wifes or daughters to carry a concealed weapons, just because it's america and **** can happen in the wrong places and women are prone to attacks. There are actually a few good reasons.

Yes, I realize that.

In the US, though, the reality is there are a lot of sickos and they like to take their life's frustrations out on innocent people in crowds. See Vegas shooting, see Sandy Hook, see thousands of other examples.

Would it be better if no guns existed - none for criminals, none for citizens, none for police? Yes. That's not reality. Is it possible to work toward that direction? I don't think so.

I'm sure you haven't heard an AR15, but it's ****ing loud and scary at an indoor gun range even when you're expecting to hear it. I couldn't imagine the terror that causes when it's heard at grocery store, but I sure as shiit would want a trained officer with a firearm nearby - on or off duty, or any well-trained person for that matter.

Step back from this for a moment and try to think how it sounds to someone not completely immersed in the way things are in the US. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a place where "when grocery stores are shot up" isn't given a moment's thought?

Edit to add: Looks like you basically addressed this in your last post. So given that...

Not possible to even move in that direction? I can't imagine why not. It should just take the will of the people. It would probably take generations to make real progress everywhere, but it's never going to happen without starting with some small steps.

Is this the good ole "good guy with a gun" argument all over again? I thought that one had been debunked by now. In fact, I'm sure there were some gun nuts after the Vegas shooting who publically changed their mind on the whole "good guy with a gun" thing in the aftermath.