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Do conservatives want to ban transition care for all transgender people, not just children? Do conservatives want to ban transition care for all transgender people, not just children?
View Poll Results: Do conservatives want to get rid of transgender people?
Most conservatives want to get rid of transgender people
15 39.47%
A significant percentage, but not "most", conservatives want to get rid of transgender people
6 15.79%
Few conservatives want to get rid of transgender people
9 23.68%
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04-05-2023 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Apparently, the maga derposphere is boycotting anheuser busch. Not sure what their backup beer might be.

From a marketing standpoint I just do not see the upside of a trans gender beer commercial. Do you gain more beer drinkers.
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04-05-2023 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
From a marketing standpoint I just do not see the upside of a trans gender beer commercial. Do you gain more beer drinkers.
Second guessing a company having a trans person in an ad on trans visibility day is pretty gross. Sometimes companies try to use their power and privilege to do the right things and we should applaud them for that. Probably right wing trans derps hate that they’ve done this, but for everyone else I dunno if symbolic tokens make some big market difference in people supporting the company, but at least they did something and good for them.
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04-05-2023 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
From a marketing standpoint I just do not see the upside of a trans gender beer commercial. Do you gain more beer drinkers.
People prefer to associate with a brand that's pitching a pro-inclusivity, anti-bigotry message, not sure why that's confusing.
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04-05-2023 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
From a marketing standpoint I just do not see the upside of a trans gender beer commercial. Do you gain more beer drinkers.
A lot of attention and money goes into advertising. I can assure you that your theory had been brought up. The market also seems fine with it.
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04-05-2023 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
A lot of attention and money goes into advertising. I can assure you that your theory had been brought up. The market also seems fine with it.
Hey I never heard about it till I saw Kid Rocks post and no clue whom the trans person is . Personally if I drank the beer I wouldn't care
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04-05-2023 , 07:50 PM
I thought those beer boycotters were against cancel culture?
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04-06-2023 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
From a marketing standpoint I just do not see the upside of a trans gender beer commercial. Do you gain more beer drinkers.
Seriously? uke's response is the important one on this topic, but it perplexes me that you can't see any possible marketing upside. I wonder who should be more insulted - beer drinkers because you think the majority couldn't respond positively to a transgender sponsored post, or transgender people because you think they don't drink beer.

Perhaps it's time for you to rethink your sterotypes?

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Originally Posted by lozen
Were did he say they were not people?
Nowhere. Where did uke say that he did? That's kind of a strange way to interpret uke's post, really - seemed pretty clear to me that the message was that since we're talking about people, calling it "the whole trans thing" isn't cool. The fact that uke's the one you choose to question on this, rather than the poster who uses the phrase "the whole trans thing", isn't a good look.

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Originally Posted by wreckem713
This thread
Since this is a nonsensical answer, I guess it means you either have no response, or you know your real response would get you banned.
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04-06-2023 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Seriously? uke's response is the important one on this topic, but it perplexes me that you can't see any possible marketing upside. I wonder who should be more insulted - beer drinkers because you think the majority couldn't respond positively to a transgender sponsored post, or transgender people because you think they don't drink beer.

Perhaps it's time for you to rethink your sterotypes?


Nowhere. Where did uke say that he did? That's kind of a strange way to interpret uke's post, really - seemed pretty clear to me that the message was that since we're talking about people, calling it "the whole trans thing" isn't cool. The fact that uke's the one you choose to question on this, rather than the poster who uses the phrase "the whole trans thing", isn't a good look.


Since this is a nonsensical answer, I guess it means you either have no response, or you know your real response would get you banned.
Whats my real response?
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04-06-2023 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
You know, since all of you want to continue with the name-calling, I’m out. I’ve not attacked a singlenonenofbyiu, except for maybe mr fett whom I called intolerant. Oddly, since then, he’s been the most reasonable one of you. He hasn’t attacked me at all or resorted to immature name-calling. Anyhow, I’m out.
The positive aspect of name-calling is that it is a huge tell that the name-caller knows that s/he has lost the argument.

It is clear that nobody here (at least so far) can rationally challenge your points.
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04-06-2023 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackontheturn
How does having gender dysphoria qualify a person to be a spokesperson for a product?

If it was someone who was accomplished in some area, having a mental health condition shouldn't necessarily disqualify them, but this Mulvaney character doesn't seem to have done anything significant in life except flaunting his/her gender identity issues on social media. It actually seems to me there is a strong possibility that he/she doesn't really have gender dysphoria, but is just jumping on the bandwagon to try to earn a quick buck, but I don't know what's in his/her heart.

This is what people mean by saying it's gone too far. It's one thing to be sympathetic and accepting of people who are struggling with gender identity (or any other mental health condition for that matter). It's another thing to see that gender identity struggle as something to be celebrated in its own right. It's sending the wrong message to the youth who might be confused about things. When you're 16 you don't have an identity yet because you haven't done anything in life. As you get older, master some skills, get a job, an education, start a family, become a member of the community, then you'll have an identity. Your identity is established through what you do with your life, not through your hair and your clothes and your pronouns. This is the message the kids need to hear, not what Dylan Mulvaney is selling.
Maybe April is "Perv Awareness Month"?
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04-06-2023 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by shortstacker
The positive aspect of name-calling is that it is a huge tell that the name-caller knows that s/he has lost the argument.
You engage in more name-calling than anyone on this forum.
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04-06-2023 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You engage in more name-calling than anyone on this forum.
I hear that a lot from the Woke Mob of Pea Brains around here.
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04-06-2023 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Seriously? uke's response is the important one on this topic, but it perplexes me that you can't see any possible marketing upside. I wonder who should be more insulted - beer drinkers because you think the majority couldn't respond positively to a transgender sponsored post, or transgender people because you think they don't drink beer.

Perhaps it's time for you to rethink your sterotypes?

Yes your right I am making the assumption that folks that drink this beer will stop because of this commercial .


Nowhere. Where did uke say that he did? That's kind of a strange way to interpret uke's post, really - seemed pretty clear to me that the message was that since we're talking about people, calling it "the whole trans thing" isn't cool. The fact that uke's the one you choose to question on this, rather than the poster who uses the phrase "the whole trans thing", isn't a good look.

Fair Enough Valid Point my apologies Uke for interpreting it that way


Since this is a nonsensical answer, I guess it means you either have no response, or you know your real response would get you banned.
As for that bill were does it ban transition care for adults or even children? The GOP should call it "The Women's Rights in Sports Bill"

This thread is labeled Do conservatives want to ban transition care for all people? The answer is NO well the majority of conservatives
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04-06-2023 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackontheturn
How does having gender dysphoria qualify a person to be a spokesperson for a product?

If it was someone who was accomplished in some area, having a mental health condition shouldn't necessarily disqualify them, but this Mulvaney character doesn't seem to have done anything significant in life except flaunting his/her gender identity issues on social media. It actually seems to me there is a strong possibility that he/she doesn't really have gender dysphoria, but is just jumping on the bandwagon to try to earn a quick buck, but I don't know what's in his/her heart.

This is what people mean by saying it's gone too far. It's one thing to be sympathetic and accepting of people who are struggling with gender identity (or any other mental health condition for that matter). It's another thing to see that gender identity struggle as something to be celebrated in its own right. It's sending the wrong message to the youth who might be confused about things. When you're 16 you don't have an identity yet because you haven't done anything in life. As you get older, master some skills, get a job, an education, start a family, become a member of the community, then you'll have an identity. Your identity is established through what you do with your life, not through your hair and your clothes and your pronouns. This is the message the kids need to hear, not what Dylan Mulvaney is selling.
Lets be honest so many young Americans dream is to be an influencer not just Dylan you can choose to follow her or not and you can make your purchase decisions based on weather you support her or not

Last edited by lozen; 04-06-2023 at 10:23 AM. Reason: Oops misgendered
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04-06-2023 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackontheturn
How does having gender dysphoria qualify a person to be a spokesperson for a product?
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Originally Posted by Jackontheturn
If it was someone who was accomplished in some area, having a mental health condition shouldn't necessarily disqualify them
While some trans people - both before, during, and after transitioning - experience some levels of gender dysphoria, not all trans people do, and in particular it is often vastly lessened or removed entirely via transitioning.

Further, it is very problematic to refer to trans people not by their identity but as you do here as "having a mental health condition".
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04-06-2023 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
While some trans people - both before, during, and after transitioning - experience some levels of gender dysphoria, not all trans people do, and in particular it is often vastly lessened or removed entirely via transitioning.

Further, it is very problematic to refer to trans people not by their identity but as you do here as "having a mental health condition".
If you have gender dysphoria and "transitioning" helps you, fine.

If you don't have gender dysphoria and choose to present yourself as the opposite gender for some other reason, fine.

My point is it's not something worth celebrating in its own right. It doesn't matter in the real world. If I have a new employee at work, or a colleague, or a supervisor, I don't care what clothes they wear or what their gender identity or sexual orientation is. All I care about is whether they're good at their job and how they treat others.

This is the message kids need to hear, that life is about building relationships and contributing to a community, not about being part of an identity group.
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04-06-2023 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
While some trans people - both before, during, and after transitioning - experience some levels of gender dysphoria, not all trans people do, and in particular it is often vastly lessened or removed entirely via transitioning.

Further, it is very problematic to refer to trans people not by their identity but as you do here as "having a mental health condition".
Thats what Dr. Jordan Peterson says it is and he is a Dr
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04-06-2023 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Seriously? uke's response is the important one on this topic, but it perplexes me that you can't see any possible marketing upside. I wonder who should be more insulted - beer drinkers because you think the majority couldn't respond positively to a transgender sponsored post, or transgender people because you think they don't drink beer.

Perhaps it's time for you to rethink your sterotypes?


Nowhere. Where did uke say that he did? That's kind of a strange way to interpret uke's post, really - seemed pretty clear to me that the message was that since we're talking about people, calling it "the whole trans thing" isn't cool. The fact that uke's the one you choose to question on this, rather than the poster who uses the phrase "the whole trans thing", isn't a good look.


Since this is a nonsensical answer, I guess it means you either have no response, or you know your real response would get you banned.
https://twitter.com/MattGlantz/statu...228942851?s=20

I will submit this as an example of "getting out of control"
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04-06-2023 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Thats what Dr. Jordan Peterson says it is and he is a Dr
Peterson doesn't agree with The Agenda, so his credentials don't matter.
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04-06-2023 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackontheturn
If you have gender dysphoria and "transitioning" helps you, fine.

If you don't have gender dysphoria and choose to present yourself as the opposite gender for some other reason, fine.
The point is that you jumped from an example of a trans person to a claim it was about celebrating a mental illness of gender dysphoria. They aren't the same thing. Many trans people resolve previous gender dysphoria by transitioning and now no longer have it. So suggesting it is the gender dysphoria that is being celebrated is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Jackontheturn
My point is it's not something worth celebrating in its own right. It doesn't matter in the real world. If I have a new employee at work, or a colleague, or a supervisor, I don't care what clothes they wear or what their gender identity or sexual orientation is. All I care about is whether they're good at their job and how they treat others.

This is the message kids need to hear, that life is about building relationships and contributing to a community, not about being part of an identity group.
The problem is many people in society don't accept trans people, try to pass laws harming trans people, and don't treat them as equally as you claim to. They'll use rhetoric like suggesting a trans person is celebrating a mental illness. There is room to be explicitly accepting and welcoming of minority groups who are struggling in society as well as teaching lovely lessons to kids about building relationships.
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04-06-2023 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Thats what Dr. Jordan Peterson says it is and he is a Dr
Yikes. I'm somewhat skeptical a quote of Peterson that rejects my claim will come, but even so, of all people, Peterson? Really? I'd suggest finding anyone else with a doctorate to help you out with this one.
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04-06-2023 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Yikes. I'm somewhat skeptical a quote of Peterson that rejects my claim will come, but even so, of all people, Peterson? Really? I'd suggest finding anyone else with a doctorate to help you out with this one.
I wouldn't though
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04-06-2023 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
I wouldn't though
While it is obvious that legions of Peterson fanboys don't ever bother with due diligence on his claims (or even bother to cite them when asked), and just take whatever Peterson says at face value, I don't know I've seen someone before proudly claiming that this is their intent.
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04-06-2023 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Thats what Dr. Jordan Peterson says it is and he is a Dr
Well I'm a doctor and disagree with him. What do we do now?
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04-06-2023 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
The point is that you jumped from an example of a trans person to a claim it was about celebrating a mental illness of gender dysphoria. They aren't the same thing. Many trans people resolve previous gender dysphoria by transitioning and now no longer have it. So suggesting it is the gender dysphoria that is being celebrated is just silly.

The problem is many people in society don't accept trans people, try to pass laws harming trans people, and don't treat them as equally as you claim to. They'll use rhetoric like suggesting a trans person is celebrating a mental illness. There is room to be explicitly accepting and welcoming of minority groups who are struggling in society as well as teaching lovely lessons to kids about building relationships.
Whether you describe it as celebrating gender dysphoria or celebrating a person's decision to present as a different gender doesn't make a difference. It's a dumb thing to celebrate, period.

I don't agree that a significant number of people in society are not accepting trans people. If you had a neighbour who was trans, or a doctor, lawyer, cab driver, or barista, 99% of people wouldn't care. They would judge the person based on how they treated others.

All laws are restricting some person's right in some way, so by definition all laws harm someone. The question is whether the law is just and brings benefit to society as a whole. There might be room for debate around whether some laws strike the right balance, but I'm not aware of any laws in any Western country that are harming trans people as such.
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