They haven't banned them, so... no harm no foul?

You just can't hold them next to a church or school.

as excited as I am to see you adopt a framing of caring for “marginalized” people, can we unpack exactly what you mean when you claim I’m marginalized people by pointing out a right wing pattern of holding up detransitioners as part of their anti-trans narratives?

This statement can be seen as marginalizing what amounts to as you say a small group. Do you understand that anyone that has gone through this process and than realizes OMG I made a mistake would even be less likely to come forward. Its not like the folks that did the surgery will be there for them.
We will never know the exact numbers of folks that regret what they did with folks like you dismissing them as a small group

Did they not have library storytimes when you were a kid?

Just a lady that smelled funny reading books.

No, noting that a group is a small size isn't "marginalization". Try again?
We saw a number of studies in the collection of trans threads looking at regret rates and detransition rates. They were objectively small. Sure it isn't known "exactly", but such is par for the course with this kind of research. The point though is that these small numbers are relevant for combatting the anti-trans narrative that we need to use state power to block the medical decisions of people, where "detransitioners" are used as pawns in that narrative.

Banning them next to a church or a school is still a ban, buddy. Not that you have remotely correctly cited the Tennessee law correctly. It states "on public property" or places where it can be seen by minors which is obviously more than just churches and schools.

i haven't looked at the Tenn statute.. but if it's like insoo is saying, similarly in my jurisdiction we have an enhancement to a lot of drug/sex offenses that are "within 1000 ft of a church or school".. and the definitions of church and school are so broad that nearly every where within any kind of populated area could be considered within that range.

Pretty much correct. In the drag shows that I have seen it's a feature not a blip. It's not that I can't imagine an innocent pg drag event. But I take issue with being told there is no sexual component to drag and it's all kid friendly by someone who claims I don't and can't understand something because I'm not LGBTQ.

Only Uke thinks pointing out someone is lying about this feature is pearl clutching about sexuality such as you see in the mall.

R-rated movies exist, therefore movies are an adult thing and kids shouldn't be allowed to watch movies because they could have sexualized bits while pretending to be okay. Some of these alleged kids movies even have female characters displaying some degree of cleavage. I am outraged that Mrs. Doubtfire wasn't slapped with an R rating.

Or perhaps the public and private distinction.

what do u think the distinction between public and private is?

What is allowed at Hooters being distinct from a municipal arena is certainly one.

A gay bar with sexualized dancers would be a second.

Why does someone who believes that transgenderism is wrong has to be a hater, or labeled "transphobic?" Why is it unreasonable to accept the fact that some people, based on some sort of belief system that they've followed their entire lives, feel that it is wrong? Many people in the scientific community believe that humans exist as a binary, but it's now unpopular for them to voice their opinions, so they stay quiet.
A study was done involving transgender boys. 88% of them, after puberty, no longer wanted to transition. Now, imagine if we started pumping them with hormones and puberty blockers.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...21.632784/full

And before you say that it is old, etc., the scientific community is starting to rethink how we approach trans youth:
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p382

I think there is too much on both sides of simply not respecting that there are people with opinions that aren't the same as are. That does not mean they are bad people, or phobic of anything, they're just human beings who have had a different experience.

I fully expect to get banned for this post as it does not fit the woke 2+2 narrative, in which case, thank all of you along the way. It's been fun.

Well we'd have to use our imaginations here, as you instruct us, because that's not what's happening currently for the most part. Pumping kids up with hormones it's just a boogeyman meant to scare people.

What's with this victim mentality that so many on the right seem to have? The fact that you won't get banned somehow won't make you realize that this whole narrative about cancel culture is also a boogeyman, I expect.

Wookie would have banned him

This type of drive-by post is exactly why the omnibus transgender thread doesn't work.

Drive by posts were pretty rare before, and clearly haven't been stopped now, so this doesn't make much sense.

Perhaps you should ask someone who has said something to that effect.

I'm kind of wondering if you actually read my post, given that I've allowed for precisely what you're claiming:

But of course there are people who are hateful of transgender people, or value them so little that they're good with throwing them under the bus to serve their political ends; those are the people I was referring to when I said:

Pumping hormones is a boogeyman? “recent analysis of insurance claims by Komodo Health found that nearly 18 000 US minors began taking puberty blockers or hormones from 2017 to 2021, the number rising each year.”

And don’t ever lump me with people on the right. I’ve voted Democrat my entire life. I worked on Bernie Sanders’ campaign. I just approach contentious topics differently. I don’t think we should be attacking others personally. Also, we should try to understand where the other person is coming from.

If I’m to be honest, you’re one of the least tolerant and most judgmental people I’ve seen on this board.

No drive-by, man. I’ll engage in dialogue. I just know people have been banned from this forum for nothing more than stating an opinion. Reddit does it too.

The trans debate does remind one of the debates over homosexuals in the past. I’d say a lot of opposition was born out of ignorance. However, some people felt strongly, either based on what their pastor told them to believe or their own independent interpretation of the Bible, that a man should not lie with another man. That’s that person’s world view.

The difference here is people are advocating interventions in children that cannot be reversed. People are concerned with allowing a child, whose frontal lobe hasn’t fully developed, to decide to put chemicals into his or her body that are irreversible. I think many think children should not be making those decisions.

The study you had cited showed that prepubescent kids who felt they were trans frequently decided otherwise by puberty. We aren't giving hormones or hormone blockers to prepubescent kids.

This is true. What is also true is that a person’s brain and personality do not fully mature until mid 20s, so, you may run the risk of doing permanent damage by injecting a 16 year old (the age when this typically starts) with medications before their mind is fully developed. Also, if you follow the movement, they pro-trans movement is pushing to start hormones at 14. You can see the slippery slope we’re currently on.