Here's the bigger point, lozen. In many ways, we're now moving backwards when it comes to LGBTQ+ acceptance, and that includes simple LGB acceptance (the letters you referred to as sexual rather than ideological) . We've got people showing up at our school board meeting with signs saying that there's no such thing as transgender people, but even that's not enough for them. Before they got there, they were at the BCTF (teacher's federation) offices earlier in the day, calling them "pedos", and the rainbow flags were "pedo flags". They spent a good 10-15 minutes ranting at them from outside locked doors, putting their faces up to the glass and screaming at them about this. We've got people protesting pride month and pride flags all around North America, when they never uttered a word before. So, how did we get here? It's not like all these people just woke up and suddenly decided that pride flags were a problem and some kind of symbol of pedophilia. Some of them already had those beliefs and weren't feeling bold enough to shout about it on the streets, to be sure, and I'd suggest others have been persuaded to this belief by the constant barrage from the derposphere.

Meanwhile, you're feeding into it in the same way most of the right wing derposphere does. A few examples of transgender athletes winning elite competitions, one that won an amateur competition for money, a few examples of transgender activists behaving badly, and you and others need to bang on about them again and again and again and again. Oh, and the "mutilations and castrations", which I showed are very rare, and we know nothing about the situations behind any of them, but apparently we need wide-reaching laws banning all gender affirming care, sometimes even for part of the adult population, and you don't seem to have a problem with that, because..."mutilations and castrations." The derposphere is playing their A game right now, and they've got you on their team echoing all their talking points.

There are all sorts of physical and mental health conditions that are not life-threatening like cancer, but that nevertheless it is preferable to treat the patient earlier than wait a year. Perhaps a closer comparison would be drugs taken for depression say, well of course we COULD wait until 18 to give those drugs, but if they are effective at relieving symptoms earlier than that seem preferable. Or perhaps there are risks to taking such drugs early, but again that is a question for doctors and patients and their families, not for politicians. The point is that gender dysphoria is a medical condition and its treatment should be informed by medical expertise.



Ok. I'm sure you are right that different doctors take different approaches to all kinds of different ailments. In my previous example, for instance, maybe some doctors are more or less likely to prescribe medications for depressed teenagers than others. But that doesn't imply politicians should come in and make the choice for all the doctors! I also tend to think that larger medical organizations like the AAP which release broader guidance helps inform options beyond the level of individual doctor predilections.

Dont forget about the recent school shooting by a trans

Are you stating gender dysphoria is a mental health issue? Let's say depression or anxiety can stem from GD or be a result of it. Why not treat minors for the depression and anxiety rather than pump them with hormones, for what well may be a phase they're going through?



But we give the government who are answerable to the people leeway to enact legislation and laws.
You appear to be putting the feelings of some minors and wants of activism over the minors potential safety. And their safety is ultimately a more pertinent concern.

Maybe it's a backlash against what many seem to be perceiving as having an ubiquitous agenda they're not comfortable with, and as a result, pride flags get falsely conflated with paedophilia. And paedophile groups have tried to insinuate themselves into pride marches before and were roundly condemned for it by the Gay community. There could be a mistaken/erroneous "slippery slope" mentality from those who are against trans issues, that trans acceptance will lead to paedophilia acceptance.
You get a similar thing with gay adoption, where gay couples are accused of being secret paedophiles wanting to groom those they adopt.

All this is very wrong, no question. But certain objections re trans issues such as puberty blockers, unfair competition in sports and hormonal and/or surgical treatment for minors are not much ado about nothing either, and I get the impressions that trans advocates are trying to make out that they are. And that's as erroneous (albeit not as odious) as trying to brand gay people as paedophiles.

Lets be clear first these are cancer and castration medications being used to block puberty with no long rem testing .

I would assume they would have no effect in blocking puberty

Do you think a parent has the right to know what is being taught to their children especially in kindergarten and elementary school? What should the parent do when the school board will not tell them?

When a parent is sued by the teachers union because she wanted to see the curriculum being taught her child Id be protesting as well

Here in Canada at least Alberta I asked my sister a retired vice principal and she told me its online and any parent can ask . It seems in the USA that differs.

As for a few examples of transgender athletes winning a few competitions. It seems like its happening weekly in a multitude of sports.

As for Pride Month and Pride flags I think its a little over the top but I personally do not care I have never referred to it as a symbol of pedophilia

Do you think a father has the right to say no my 13 year old daughter is not getting puberty blockers ? What do you do if one parent says yes and one no?

How else do explain the dramatic increase in Trans/non binary identified youth over the past 10 years. You may say that those were closeted trans gets who didn't get the affirmation that they needed, but then why has the suicide rate among young people also dramatically increased over the same time?

If the claim that not affirming trans youth leads to a suicide epidemic then we would have evidence of mass suicide of trans kids throughout history. But thats not the case, youth suicide rates have actually correlated with youth trans identification rates.


Its almost like teaching 6yos that gender is maleable has consequences and leads to more confused kids. And maybe the proper response to a 7yo boy saying "I want to be a girl" is to respond "no you are a boy, and here is why being a boy is awesome".

It reasonable to me that if you have a kid who was born in the wrong body-- i.e. inherently trans-- then you can't trans that kid. But if it's a gay kid who is led to be trans then you transed them.

BTW is dont agree with the idea that you can be born in the body of the wrong sex. You can wish you were born the opposite sex, you can act and dress like the opposite sex, but you still are the sex that you are born. You aren't "assigned a sex at birth", you are just either born male or female and its "assigned" by our genetic code the moment an embryo is conceived.

There are masculine women and feminine men. masculine/feminine is a personality spectrum based around societal norms for men and women (which isnt an arbitrary social construct, the personality differences between men and women is bedrock social science.) Man and woman is a binary.


Gender Ideology tries to simplify man/woman into its societal norms/expectations and now anyone who doesn't fit nicely into those boxes are now "gender non conforming" and "non binary" and "transgender".

That's not making anything clear. Many medications are found to have multiple uses, but those don't really have an impact on other uses. We can use antidepressants for premature ejaculation. In those cases, is it really relevant that the medicine is also used as an antidepressant? You bringing up that puberty blockers are used to treat cancer is it really relevant to the discussion but is you clearly trying to make the drugs sound more dangerous by associating them with a serious condition.

So then wasn't that a pretty odd suggestion you made? The people are free to take puberty blockers after they're done with puberty?

These are all medical questions. I can share my non-medical expert understanding of them, but the point is that we should be letting medical experts make these medical decisions in conjunctions with patients and their families.




Just as the government doesn't make a law about the only way medical professionals are allowed to treat depression, so too should it be here. This isn't about dismissing "safety", for any medical intervention there are risks and benefits and medical experts help navigate patients through those. And not all of the "safety" concerns line up on one side, for instance someone with gender dysphoria my quick google suggests is at higher risk of self harm and suicide, anxiety, depression, eating disorders, and substance abuse. Those are all "safety" concerns that must be likewise balanced so it is ridiculous to flippantly suggest that I am ignoring safety because I'm advocating for medical experts not gop politicians to be making decisions.

It's quite a mystery!

Did 'trans' suddenly become a verb in your mind?

Verb can be a verb.

Trans was verbed.

Right now I'm internet foruming while sitting on a bench waiting for some people to take care or some adult related Brazilian buerocracy (aka adulting).

All within a year, huh, and you can't give your opinion on whether therapy to alleviate the risk of self harm and suicide, anxiety, depression, eating disorders, and substance abuse is more/less viable than pumping them with hormones or allowing them to have surgery, or if there's a risk it's a phase and when this is realised too late, it could possibly lead to a higher risk of self harm and suicide, anxiety, depression, eating disorders, and substance abuse? Because "These are all medical questions"? This is why you're not coming across as giving straight answers.

But this is a radical controversial way in which we're not sure of the outcome. Not subjecting minors to such radical measures until they're adults is a reasonable course to take. You seem to be ignoring this, due to your disagreement with GOP politicians and I doubt if it's exclusively GOP politicians who have these concerns. Again as was mentioned, the medical community aren't in unison on this issue. If you're prepared to not take on board the fact that there isn't united agreement, then again it seems you're taking an ideological stance.

You realize you're just encouraging them, right?

Any sort of "actiony" noun can be verbed.

None of this is too hard.

I'm not sure what "straight answer" I could possibly give you. I'm not a medical expert. My job isn't to work with patients and help evaluate the risks and benefits of medical interventions. My non-expert understanding is that the question can't even be answered unilaterally, that it really depends on the specific patient how those risks and benefits are going to be evaluated. For example, a 17 year old who socially transitioned since they were 10 and has been through a couple years of therapies and have been consistently sure of being trans might be very different from the right wing characterizations of a 13 year old who last week decided they wanted to be trans because their friend was and now wants drugs. Those are extreme contrasts, but it paints the picture of why a single option imposed by politicians (or me) doesn't replace medical expertise. I'm not evading your questions, it is just that it is not for me to answer them nor do I think they can be answered unilaterally as you frame them.




There is not complete unanimity among the medical community on all sorts of treatment protocols, I don't think this one is particularly unique in that regard but for that it additionally has a large political attention that, say, treatment for depression does not. And groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics find that there are other "reasonable courses to take" beyond just a blanket ban until 18. Part of the reason for my opposition to laws where politicians (yes, primarily GOP politicans) pass laws that restrict the set of possible medical treatments, is that the broader medical community is constantly evolving and improving over time, and the consensus on best approaches for any number of disorders changes. Far from ideological, my position is essentially apolitical here, it is that this isn't a political question for politicians to solve, but a medical question for medical experts to solve.

Have you noticed that trans people don't use the word 'transing' or 'transed'?

I've known only one trans person so I need a bigger sample.

Have you tried reading from other sources?

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapte...i-ryan-lescure

This one looks promising

You should read that.