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View Poll Results: Do conservatives want to get rid of transgender people?

Most conservatives want to get rid of transgender people

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A significant percentage, but not "most", conservatives want to get rid of transgender people

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04-09-2023 , 09:57 AM

#226

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this is a hilarious discussion..

is it based in people being upset influencers with no "real" talents according to some random definition of "real" gets sponsorship deals?

"entertainers" and models get sponsorships all the time. feel free to figure out how to get millions of followers on your own and grab some sweet sponsorship deals.

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04-09-2023 , 10:13 AM

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lol, absolute horseshit. Dylan’s got 10M followers, you don’t just get that handed to you, it’s a cutthroat business. Sorry a young trans person is way more successful than you, the good news is you don’t have to drink Bud anymore.

Or Tampax . I'm surprised Dylan doesn't have a gynecologist

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04-10-2023 , 03:03 PM

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My guess is she never drinks all those cans she got

Still think it's a huge marketing mistake by Bud Light

They've gone silent on social media for some days, which may not indicate high confidence in what they're doing. Their VP Marketing, Alissa Heidenscheidt (Groton and Harvard, one of the most elite and privileged people in the world), said the brand was losing sales and this was the way to sell it to young people, on the possibly mistaken assumption that young people at large share the frankly peculiar values of Ivy League holier-than-thou wokers in the rocky approaches to middle age.

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04-10-2023 , 03:13 PM

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Well I’m just shocked to hear that this ad campaign was all part of a sinister plot to try to sell beer to people.

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04-10-2023 , 03:22 PM

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Yeah I saw the interview with her and she basically said we do not care about our current customer base and looking towards a new one as sales have been in a constant decline.

I am just baffled by some of these marketing decisions . Weather its Nike and the sports bra and Tampax partnering with Dylan as well. Hey all the power to Dylan ride the gravy train and collect as much $$ as you can . I just do not see that age demographic drinking Bud Light.

This is a publicly traded company and this may be a huge blunder

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04-10-2023 , 04:23 PM

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Yeah I saw the interview with her and she basically said we do not care about our current customer base and looking towards a new one as sales have been in a constant decline.

This is basically the strategy of every company in the world.

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04-10-2023 , 04:49 PM

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I'm gonna guess Budweiser's marketing department knows what they're doing.

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04-10-2023 , 05:25 PM

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Americans have the worst beer in the world.

Budweiser, miller lite, bud light. All garbage.

At the Oktoberfest, the beer hall belonging to a German brand that Germans didn't like enough to fill up still served better beer than anything made in USA.

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04-10-2023 , 05:30 PM

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Alcohol companies, just like cigarette companies always focus on young people. A large portion of their revenue comes from restaurants and night clubs and of course alcoholics. They're going to target those folks just like cig businesses do since you'll get a longer lasting and more profitable customer base with the GenZ crowd than with the older armchair republicans drinking at home. And the bitter OGs will probably forget which beer it was that they were mad at in a about a month anyway.

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04-10-2023 , 06:21 PM

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can anyone show an example of when upsetting conservatives impacted these giant brands bottom lines?

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04-10-2023 , 06:25 PM

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can anyone show an example of when upsetting conservatives impacted these giant brands bottom lines?

I think the Dixie Chicks oh wait The Chicks may say they were one .

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04-10-2023 , 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Their VP Marketing, Alissa Heidenscheidt (Groton and Harvard, one of the most elite and privileged people in the world), said the brand was losing sales and this was the way to sell it to young people, on the possibly mistaken assumption that young people at large share the frankly peculiar values of Ivy League holier-than-thou wokers in the rocky approaches to middle age.

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Wait, this was all about marketing? Geez, after reading this thread I was sure it was all about wokeness and virtue signaling. I never would have guessed it was about selling more beer.

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I'm gonna guess Budweiser's marketing department knows what they're doing.

IDK, 57 and lozen seem to really know what they're talking about. They probably have their finger on the pulse of what them young'ns really want much better than marketing professionals.

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04-10-2023 , 08:06 PM

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My guess is she never drinks all those cans she got

Still think it's a huge marketing mistake by Bud Light

The discussion worth having is if it is wise for Bud to advertise and target the younger folk when younger people are continuing to lose their disposable income while increasing their debt load. Alcohol companies aren't the attractive investment in recessions that people think.

This will really depend on how the future plays out. If beer makers can get their miracle of allowing foods stamps to be used at restaurants, it would be time for everyone to celebrate!

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04-10-2023 , 08:11 PM

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Wait, this was all about marketing? Geez, after reading this thread I was sure it was all about wokeness and virtue signaling. I never would have guessed it was about selling more beer.

IDK, 57 and lozen seem to really know what they're talking about. They probably have their finger on the pulse of what them young'ns really want much better than marketing professionals.

Yeah I've got the pulse on the trans gen z crowd 😀

Though I'm sure there are the odd marketing executive that ended up out of a job after a horrible marketing plan

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04-10-2023 , 08:15 PM

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IDK, 57 and lozen seem to really know what they're talking about. They probably have their finger on the pulse of what them young'ns really want much better than marketing professionals.

What strikes me is that neither of these guys are commenting on the marketing savviness of companies when they put a white straight cis dude drinking a beer. But the moment one trans person - on the day of trans visibility no less - is, well, visible, then suddenly all the marketing questions get raised.

Only then.

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04-10-2023 , 08:16 PM

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Or, to make my above point a different way, the only time these guys seem to express upsetness that influences with millions of followers are getting sponsorship deals is when a trans person with millions of followers gets a sponsorship deals.

Only then.

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04-10-2023 , 08:42 PM

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From a marketing standpoint, there are many more consumers who are white straight cis males than there are trans folks. Therefore, it makes more sense to use someone who represents a higher percentage of potential sales to market an item.

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04-10-2023 , 08:48 PM

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What strikes me is that neither of these guys are commenting on the marketing savviness of companies when they put a white straight cis dude drinking a beer.

You have to go to the marketing subforum for that sort of stuff.

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04-10-2023 , 08:56 PM

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Great point! There's been a serious lack of beer advertisements targeting white straight cis males over the years. It's pretty much an untapped market (pun intended).

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04-10-2023 , 09:17 PM

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Yes, every business only has one commercial.

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04-10-2023 , 09:19 PM

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In simple terms, the goal is to create customer attention and discussion - like it did. The second part is understanding why it helps. White straight males doesn't offer the same uses as it did in 1980. What bud is doing isn't anything new. I mean, Nivea did a "white is purity" ad.

Whatever current controversial topics are being discussed will end up in commercials.

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04-10-2023 , 09:25 PM

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I'm sorry when a company chooses a man to represent a sports bra or a man to represent a Tampon the world's a screwed up place

As well I said all the power to Dylan for raking in as many $$ as possible weather he believes he is a woman or just doing it for the $$$

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04-10-2023 , 11:05 PM

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Lol at pretending that Germany doesn't have shitty mass produced versions they call beer - Oettinger, Bitburger, etc.

Lol at "anything" made in the US. These days, in a booze emporium, there are two shelves with Budweiser, etc., and twenty shelves with premium top-quality beers.

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04-10-2023 , 11:34 PM

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So, are we just supposed to just boycott Bud Light (which is fine, because it tastes bad anyways) or do we have to research all the other 500 beers AB owns and boycott all of them too? (some of which are bound to be decent just just for statistical reasons)

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04-10-2023 , 11:51 PM

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With the exception of Stella there aren't really that many good ones surprisingly.

Not a fan of Goose Island's IPA.

Beck's is good. I like a Modelo negra sometimes. Quilmes is Argentinian pisswater. Brahma and Antarctica are both Brazilian. A few I've never heard of

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