You have been brainwashed beyond repair. There is no good reason to chemically or physically castrate children. Let them make these decisions as adults if they choose.

No, actually if a child believed Santa Claus were real, then I don't think they would get approved for some gender surgery. It's really not the case that a 10 y.o. just walks into a doctor's office, says that they're trans, and then the doctor is compelled to instantly do surgery. There's a process which involves psychiatry/psychology, also parental consent, and time, among other things.

Why? How do you know some in the medical community aren't speaking from an ideological position? How is it the best medical recommendation when they can get hormone therapy at 18? You honestly think a couple of years is actually going to make a difference and be "the best medical recommendation"? Circumcision isn't done routinely in Europe the way it is in America as it's considered an unnecessary procedure. But doctors in America may regard it as "the best medical recommendation". Doesn't mean they're empirically correct.

Drinking or sex is actually arguably of less magnitude than surgery or hormonal therapy and the actual comparison isn't the point, the point is that we have various forms of legislation re minors for valid reasons. I'm not sure why that has to get suddenly thrown out the window re the trans issue. The protection of minors should take priority here. Once they're 18 it's absolutely their decision. But I find such recommendations for kids disturbing.

In the commercial medical system of the United States, the 'medical community' are people out to make a buck, and 'transing' gay and autistic minors is predicted to be a massive commercial growth area, creating 'patients for life' who require constant treatment with expensive drugs and surgery to make up for the harm that unscrupulous doctors are anti-Hippocratically doing to them. The so-called 'standards of care' laid down by WPATH, which American 'transing' doctors claim to rely on, are not wholly unrelated to the fact that a couple of WPATH members are also members of The Eunuch Archives, a website to which people contribute self-penned child-castration porn. https://reduxx.info/academics-involv...ng-castration/

Another WPATH member is Susie Green, the British woman who had her gay son castrated in Thailand on his sixteenth birthday -- an operation illegal in the UK and since made illegal in Thailand as well -- and who was recently forced to step down as CEO of the 'transing' charity Mermaids, currently under statutory investigation by the Charity Commission. Until the middle of last year, the academic Jacob Breslow, a pro-paedophile advocate who wrote a conference paper in which he claimed that 'coming on a shoe' was the same as 'coming on or with a child' in fetish terms, was on Mermaids' board of trustees. Public exposure forced him to resign and he now appears to be on indefinite leave from his university.

This is worth bearing in mind when a commercial 'transing' doctor, Meredithe McNamara, is unable to give a Congressional hearing any clinical-trial or comprehensive-review evidence in favour of 'transing' and has to fall back on citing the (WPATH) 'standards of care'.



Dr Miriam Grossman, sitting to the right of McNamara, then explains where McNamara was hopelessly and ignorantly wrong.

I don't think I've ever met a doctor who felt that they were being under-worked and needed to search out other areas of new patients to have. You're entire premise is just ridiculous.

The premise that the medical industry is out to make money is ridiculous? Really?

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I was curious about transgender issues
so I looked it up
I thought it was a fairly new thing
but it's not
it has a long history





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

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The premise that doctors are doing gender affirming treatments so they can have more patients who are stuck with them.

That wasn't really the claim from 57 though.

My understanding is that for people experiences acute gender dysphoria, the set of harms from this can be pretty significant. I presume that the risk/benefit analysis is going to vary a lot here which is why I think these decisions should be up to doctors and families, not politicians. For example, it seems entirely plausible that a, say, 17 year old who has been experiencing acute symptoms of gender dysphoria for a decade would be better served by getting hormone therapies now and not waiting another year in the same way you might give any other medical treatment to a 17 year old right now and not wait another year.


An odd comparison, since circumcision has pretty minor risks and pretty minor benefits. It basically doesn't matter one way or the other whether a society culturally adopts very little or a lot of circumcision. It's a bit of a silly practice, in my personal view, but regardless incomparable to the kinds of harms people are allegining in both directions when it comes to gender dysphoria and it's treatmets.

You certainly don't get a de facto monopoly on "protection of minors". When, say, the American Association of Pediatrics puts out a recommendation they also care about the health and welfare of minors! And I don't think these comparisons to sex or drinking - restrictions on behaviours - are particularly helpful. When it comes to medicines and best practices of how to deal with various physical and mental ailments, this is never GOP politicians making medical decisions for patients. This isn't teens sneaking off to drink or have sex, this is a medical decision done in companion with doctors and family members. It's up to those people.

57 posts nothing but completely deranged transphobic conspiracy theory ****, it’s rather amazing the mods are okay with it.

Can we maybe stop saying 'transing'?

What are the conspiracy theories?
You should be able to refute them all if their theories

Or just list the so called theories

Any other medical treatment? Are you comparing transitional hormone therapy to say, cancer? Or any other disease which would require treatment asap? Why can't they wait another one year for hormone therapy? What disaster would happen in 365 days?


You're seizing on comparisons while ignoring the broader point again. Doctors aren't infallible and have differing opinions on issues such as circumcision and I very much bet trans issues.

No. Society does indeed get a say and I never mooted a monopoly. You haven't given a straight answer all throughout this exchange.

Maybe you should post a lexicon on what you can and can't say? Just so everyone minds their p's & q's?

I'm curious about gay kids in Iran. If they take a gay kid to the mullahs and are like "I don't want to have a gay son can he be trans?", and the mullahs are like "yeah we can do that", and then they do.... what have they done to the kid?

Modelo Especial is now the top selling beer in America-- which is pretty amazing.

Bud Light will have a full chapter dedicated to it in marketing classes going forward .
Oh wait universities may not allow that as they have caved to the Trans community

Is this really the point you're at now, lozen? Pretty ****ing disappointing.

What's disappointing about any of those comments please enlighten me .

Trans people are against analyzing Bud Lite's marketing? I don't even get how you make up such nonsense.

Let's see:

1) That you suggest you don't know if Dinesh D'Souza quite obviously mocking the use of pronouns is serious or not.
2) As ganstaman said "No, actually if a child believed Santa Claus were real, then I don't think they would get approved for some gender surgery. It's really not the case that a 10 y.o. just walks into a doctor's office, says that they're trans, and then the doctor is compelled to instantly do surgery. There's a process which involves psychiatry/psychology, also parental consent, and time, among other things.
3) Yet another post that is meant to be nothing but a shot at the transgender community with "Oh wait universities may not allow that as they have caved to the Trans community."

It seems like that's all pretty much every post of yours in any transgender thread is now. Echoing the derposphere talking points, calling the transgender community a religion, endlessly coming back to the same points about a few extreme examples you can find. I've always given you the benefit of the doubt as to your overall viewpoint, but **** man, your posts are coming through as pretty damn transphobic over the last several weeks. If you're actually accepting of transgender people, it would be really cool if you didn't constantly post as if you were anything but.

1) I have no clue who Dinesh D'Souza is I even stated im not sure this is real I mentioned folks changing pronouns some daily. I even stated im not sure if this video is real. In todays society it may be
2) My point was you do not let someone that still believes in Santa Claus to think they are trans and have access to puberty blockers .
3) How is that a shot at the trans community. You do not think Bud Light will be used as a colossal marketing mistake and taught in Universities. I do not think Universities would allow it as they have caved to the trans community already in athletics and people voicing their opinions

The trans community at least the outspoken part has made it clear you either agree to anyone that says their a women must be allowed to compete in women's sports. As well children must be allowed to take puberty blockers and get gender affirming surgery and if you do not your the problem and your as Uke calls it transphobic

The trans community has become a religion .

So here is my clear status on the trans movement

All people should be treated with respect as long as they treat people with respect as well. No trans individual should ever be the subject of violence nor should anyone that voices their opinion on trans athletes, puberty blockers for kids or gender affirming surgery
Misgendering someone is not the same as using the N word as Uke would prescribe
No one should be forced to use preferred pronouns .
I do not think we should be giving anyone under the age of 18 a drug called Lupron which is not reversible and castrates that child and has no long studies on its long term effects . The only one benefitting is the drug manufacturer
No one under the age of 18 should be allowed to get gender affirming surgery
There are no long term studies on either of those two
LGB are sexual and the rest of the letters are an ideology and people have the right to believe what they want
No biological male should compete in women's categories at any competitive level
Once someone reaches the age of 18 than make whatever decision you want reference puberty blockers or surgery

If that makes me pretty damn transphobic so be it. Amazingly there are many prominent folks that are part of the LGBQT2S community that agree and my apologies if I missed a letter .

I suggest everyone watch What is a Women

I have noticed more posters are speaking up in agreement so good luck bullying me by calling me trans phobic. That is your right .

What effect do you think puberty blockers would have after someone's gone through puberty?

So much there I could respond to, that I'm not even going to bother. with I think just covering the very first thing you've said should do it.

This is a pretty good summary of where you're at, and why you're there. You've totally immersed yourself in the derposphere, to the point where you believe that obvious parody could actually be real. Seems it's rather hopeless trying to get you to see it at this point.

I'm not sure what this is about, given that I've gone out of my way not to call you transphobic, in spite of your increasingly ridiculous echoing of derposphere talking points. But you make this more difficult with every post.