bye full ring, welcome sng/mtt/ftp

Wishful thinking bud, Do you recall this http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/prom.../reload-bonus/ ??? Get used to it its only downhill from here

Good read sir. WP.

here is a template. well at least the first part. fu stars

enjoy, or not

i cant play on stars anymore because im in the US but seriously WTF are you doing right now stars? are you guys for real? i expect this from all the crappy sites but from you? SMH

well we can't expect stars to hang on to a rake system forever while all their competition is changing it. personally I think that WC is a tad fairer than dealt but obviously WTA would be the only really fair method (i considered their 'explanation' why they decided against it as really cute). They won't use a truly fair system (WTA) because they would have to pay more and there is no pressure from another big competitor who uses this method (sadly).
Again, I understand that WC means less RB for many of us (thinking back to FT, I got less RB myself after their change) however it is still fairer than the dealt method. why should someone earn more for just having more tables without actually contributing anything?
I am just glad they took back the cap increase for shorthanded games, since I would be affected hugely whenever I play cash games (I am a 6m table starter rather than a waiting list bumhunter).
I also think it is ridic that the 6m sit and go players get a smaller multiplier compared to FR players despite paying the same rake. This has been brought up so often that I don't think it can just be something they overlooked, but rather something they refuse to correct/adjust.

To me it seems we're doing worse now than if changes had stayed... at least for ssnl 6m

+1. I'm a fanboy of stars myself, even though I had a time I played on ftp because of rakeback with the fact that I was a relatively low volume micro stakes player I always held high respect for stars as they've always been highly professional and very good to players and poker. This whole story strikes me as uncharacteristic and weird on stars part.

I hope they will find the tweaks they need to make in order to set this straight, everyone can make a mistake, taking responsibilty for it and fixing it is the sign of real greatness.

Pokerstars Steve: " Happy New Year " ho ho ho

+1!

I feel like pokerstars little bitch, very disappointing after my 4th year as a supernova grinding fullring - what is much volume for me, i've a full-time job and 70% of my volume i put in after 8-9 hours in the office. and i'm not the youngest here...

The change to wc hurts me hard, but i accept it's more fair.
But I CAN'T accept that the benefit of it goes straight in pokerstars pockets without compensation!

Pokerstars last 2 changes have handed fullring players the arse handle.

Now this.

gg stars

You manage to make things even worse.

Nits should stop whining, dealt method was a flawed system, now it went back to the justified system where the people who were actually paying more rake get back more, in stead of the nits stealing it away.

Only fair point is to redevide the money Stars is gaining from this (with the looser players more likely to have a 1-2FPP multiplier vs the nits with their 3,5-5FPP multipliers).. possibly by giving 6VPP/$ paid in rake or something.

I disagree with this sentiment entirely. Being willing to reverse a change when it is clear your customer base doesn't like it isn't weakness or childishness, it's good business sense.

It's kind of absurd that you're asking for a company to ignore its customers.

The masses will be happy if everything all together got cancelled. Too short of a notice. Now their flip flopping what kind of organization is this. Come back at the end of 2012 and give us a well informed notice. please one time!

You do realize that they reversed the only change that was possibly good. Now things are even more screwed than they were before.

How can you SERIOUSLY act as if this was something the players demanded and then make it a lot worse? Do you think we wouldn't notice? This is really insulting!

Please change the slogan of your ad-campaign from "we are poker" to "we used to be poker".

OMFG really!?

Take away the rake changes you made and go with a straight switch to contributed and we all lose loads instead of a little under your first system.

FYP.

I would be quite surprised if this post wasn't written before the OP was ever posted tbh.

Step 1.
Announce that a big rake change will take place with a scheduled announcement on 17th Dec.
Step 2. Miss announcement deadline and not tell anyone what you are doing until days after deadline has passed.
Step 3.
Announce a money grab with a small bone of compensation

Step 4.
See every blow up about the changes
Step 5
Remove small bone of compensation
Step 6
Rub more rake on owners titties.

Agree with your point completely. In the past Stars re-load bonuses have been pretty crap. But the whole point is that people want any potential "money grab" re-distributed and the only 2 ways I can see to do this are either have several decent re-load bonuses in 2012 or increase the VPP multiplier to 6 times rather than the current 5.5. Im not saying they will do either of these but they should and if they do then I dont see how the vast majority of regs could have a problem.

For too long Stars have had a system that has actually rewarded opening 24 tables and sitting with a short stack and basically folding over 90% of hands. How is this right? No one can argue for this other than the mass tabling "nits" themselves. All that really needs to happen is that a new system is put in place that doesnt penalise the average reg whilst altering the dynamic of the games at the mid to lower levels. For the past couple of years games at 1/2 and below have gotten worse and worse with reductions in average pot size. This is all down to the fact that you can make money on stars almost by "folding". WC changes this immediately.

Please Stars keep WC but tweek the system somewhat so that the average joe is not seeing his bottom line reduced.

Over to you Steve.

Lol, they want us to think that they did that, but they actually made it a lot worse by cancelling the reduced 4.5% rake.
This was nothing, the customers wanted.

they shouldnt have come out with that nonsensical plan in the first place
them changing back so quickly just confirms that there was no deep plan to it and they actually were really just clicking random buttons

either that or it was the plan all along to come out with a terrible change and the reverse it a few days later to make WC look less of a problem

This guy is right. Theyve cancelled the things that actually made the system a little fairer especially at the lower limits. All people really wanted was an alteration to the 5 handed $3 cap which was something of a rake grab.

Cant we just stay friends Steve?
I mean we have a good thing going.. .

I make you a deal, you scrape all changes and I'll stick with playing a lot on PS.

Remember the days when you could get 0.30 vpp per hand FR 100NL 2007-2008

Now it will be ~0.20

That is one mother of a haircut in your last 3 rake changes steve.

Ducy why people might be pissed.