So now you have effectively removed the rake decrease that full ring players would have gotten. And I thought things could not get any worse.

very glad to see that after all I won't get punished for playing more cash games (I play shorthanded). thank you.

I calculated the new rake plan for FL1/2 and 2/4, each over 30k samples.
For FL 1/2, ~7% more rake
For FL 2/4, ~4-5% more rake

It was calculated by comparing how much raked for each hand. So it doesn't matter what your play style is.

If PS would rake more, how could be a decrease for a majority of players??

Hi pokerstar , i will be franck with you, why should change the system that made you the best room in the world? Just think about it, even if you don't change the rake (if you would many player would have leave just for this reason) , you change the VPP atribution system to make it fair .....
I am sorry but what do you mean by fair? You know that the VPP atribution since you pay the rake is cut off equally for everybody, i think this is the most fair solution, but now because of your change A LOT OF PEOPLE will lose money and me too in fact.
Maybe this is what you want since the fish will lose their money anyway with more VPP and the PRO will have less money .
So please can you just don't change anything , BELIEVE ME EVERY PLAYER WANT NO CHANGE!!!!!!
AND BELIEVE ME TOO MANY NEW PLAYER THAT I KNOW WANTED TO CHANGE TO POKERSTAR SINCE YOUR SYSTEM IS SO ****ING AWESOME!!!!

Now you want more money in the back of the good player for your pocket, just think about it, maybe you should think about getting more money with just only more people!!!!

huh, the WC method is still a huge money grab without changes to the number of vpps distributed.

explain it please~

This is the worst of the outcomes. While I supported the changes when the included the changes in rake, I do actually now reject the change to weighted on its own.

I think you should not listen to some misinformed few that do not understand the impact of your changes and make the most noise. Instead you should communicate better. Or maybe just take back the cap change for 5handed play or keep it and soften it up with a change to 6VPP.

Please pokerstar believe me even if the rake don't change many of your best player , and new player who wanted to be regular will not go to your room because its not worth it now, anyway an answer would be good .Because now since the rakeback will be like the other room ( and they are MOOORREEEEEEEE FISH on other room like everestpoker or winamax in france) why should we stay in pokerstar , just thik about it we are not idiot, we are poker player so we know when we lose money and where we can win more money and now it would be not your room since it will be like the other but with much more regular.

Cut down on the tables and concentrate on actually playing some poker. Why should you get VPP's when you don't contribute to the pot?

Thats the biggest issue. 20% less VPP's .. thats a salary reduction for every Supernova and Supernova Elite. Make our lives 20% harder to cater to bottom feeding fish. Well done. Scrap the plan entirely for gods sake.

Stars should be way more transparent with us. It would be so easy for them to create a chart to compare the rake taken before the changes and after and the amount of FPPs distributed before the change and after. They could take a sample size of let's say 100k hands per limit and do that for FR and 6max and then we could see what the changes are really about and if they're good for the players.

Why don't you do that Stars if you want us to understand the changes and be on your side? We don't have the data to do it but it would be so easy for you to calculate that. Maybe you just don't want us to realise how much those changes will affect us? I remember seeing all those nice graphs and charts when you changed the rake in SNGs, why not now? Have something to hide? If not, make an effort in showing us tthe true facts.

Because we pay the rake maybe? i win as much i as pay rake in Nl 100, so now with the new system we will have less money than we pay rack , that's all!!!!!! we lose money, is it hard to understand why if the change is undone why all the regular and me will change room with the same system?Because they are much more fish on other room and less regular, that's all.

Couldnt have put it better. Too many spongers on Stars for too long. Sit there on 24 tables with a short stack picking up VPPs all day long. So glad to FINALLY see the back of the multi tabling leeches.

Before I was going to loose 20%+ due to the switch to WC but would have gained back 5%+ due to the lower rake. Now I am simply going to loose 20%+. Just great. Maybe tomorrow you will announce that you are lowering FR VPP to 5,5.

STEVE, ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING US?

There was ONE SINGLE good thing about the changes for us FR grinders: The reduction to 4.5% rake. And now as a 'positive' update you are taking that away?

You can't be serious.
Words can't describe how pissed i am right now.

hahaha, stars, are u completely out of your mind? now you took away everything positive you changed???!!!! are u ****ing kidding me????

+ 1000000

The problem is their raking more money out of poker economy. I have no problem if they want to take a chunk of VPPs from 24-tabling grinders and redistributing them to casual players, but they're lining their own pockets instead. Don't you see the problem with that?

Its a money grab from 24 tabling "nits" who can no longer show a profit on a "folded" hand as they could before. If it loosens the games up somewhat in the New Year then i really dont see a problem. Especially if Stars re-introduce decent reload bonuses for all. All that would do is stop rewarding rediculously tight play and give the "money grab" back to the masses.

This.

More like Brown Wednesday, because Stars just made us all eat ****.

I don't think anyone was too upset by the rake changes other than the increase to 5player rake. Get rid of that and the rake changes would probably be ok.

Sigh...

I have always loved stars, they've done a lot of good things by their players and for the poker community in general, However, your middle management has really balls'd up by not doing the proper market research about how changes to rake etc should be implemented/announced.

The change to WC i feel was inevitable at some point, and was never going to be greeted with open arms by players. But i have to say the other ad hoc announced changes to rake followed by their subsequent removal about 3 days later makes it look like 10 year olds are making the decisions in the boardroom. How can you guys get it so so wrong and change ur minds within days of announcing your new overhaul. It shows a real degree of incompetence somewhere along the line to have actually judged this part so badly!

The WC bit is different matter to some degree and i always wondered when you would do the change, I do think you will obviously be accused of a money grab when the new system doesn't redistribute the already high rake paid, but merely punishes many players further. Tweaking the vpps/$ rake would easily have fulfilled the changes you claim to want, while also maintaining the health of ur games.

Obviously this is not your fault steve and you're just going to get it in the neck for being the link point... but ffs you're a billion dollar company, act like it and do things right the first time.

+1 million
CANCEL it all god damn it Weighted contributed is the main reason its all going down the tube