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I've made a lot more posts about things other than 24 tabling nits.its not my fault you're too stupid to understand that.its funny being called a loser in a thread filled with basement dwelling inept bottom feeders who think they are fighting for some great cause.you guys sat on your lazy assessing at some poker tables and clicked sit out.and then were shocked when stars laughed in your faces.one genius even described it as a "violent protest" which is delusional even for a rakeback leech.hate to break it to you but you guys ai n't exactly Martin Luther king and your cause is an absolute joke.at least for some of you guys you still haven't moved out of your parents house so you wont be homeless.

The only valid point you guys have is a dollar in rake doesn't result in the same amount of vpps stars gives out across the board.

This is why you think your posts have substance.

This is why everyone thinks you are a worthless troll than needs a ban

Lol the same people think stars should give them wheel barrows full of money for doing nothing and thinks stars should bend over for them when they mass sitout so their opinions hold no value to me.the wait list idea was well thought out too.took them an extra hour to stop it.

Nice use of the red font.might as well get used to using red for recording your poker session results.

He got a warning from bobo fett earlier. I think at this stage a full IP ban is warranted

We are confused as to where players got the idea that we are refusing to meet with players until the end of the month. I contacted three players to invite them here as representatives. I asked them their availability between January 15th and 29th. Any time in that range of dates is acceptable to us. The wide range of dates was offered out of respect for the possibility that representatives have existing plans.

We do believe that it would be unwise to start any earlier than the 15th. Players will need time to discuss these issues in preparation for the meeting. We also want to do some preparation for the visit.

Now youve made a point which really does make you look and sound silly. Your lack of understanding is staggering. Everyone gets the same amount of VPPs per dollar rake paid. Its the FPPs that differ from player to player depending on VIP level.

You really are a stupid tool.

when are you going to add other stakes hypers Steve?

Steve we are confused why you keep refusing to address why SH tables are still only receiving 5.5 vpps per dollar. If changes you wanted to make to reduce rake why not make sh tables receive 6 vpps like full ring. Wouldn't this be an adjustment that could be made immdediately until you meet with the reps.

In fact there are more than one multiplier for VPPs and it has been a topic of discussion "for ages" and still is....

For US$ tables there are 6x (Full Ring) and 5.5x (6max, SnGs, etc). And there are also different multipliers for other currency tables (but in those the same VPP multiplier would mean =/= value in terms of VPP per dolar). It is the former case that has been contested often.

And if it made little sense before, it makes absolutely none now: Stars has been talking about "balancing" things and also changed to a method of counting rake that is more accordingly to what one really pays in rake... but the one thing that still is not being corrected is that different variants value differently the very same $1 in rake.

Where is the coherence and sense in that specially given the recent changes?

The aim is to spread beatable games, you wanted short stackers out of your full stack games and CAP NL games were created for that purpose.
I also did not ask for less rake but for it to be considered separately.

The rake structure of full stack NL being applied to CAP NL leads to the well known anomaly that 100NL is harder to beat than 200NL. it is perfectly possible for CAP NL and regular NL to share the same rake structure and have both be beatable, but both games need to be looked at distinctly under different rake structures.

Stop trying to sabotage games you do not play in, the aim should be for EVERYONE to be able to play the games they enjoy and have a chance to beat them. I don't play FL or PLO so I stay out of discussions involving those games, but I fully support any effort for players of those games to get the rake reduced and make them beatable. I don't play PLO because the micro rake is absolutely outrageous and it is precisely because it lumped together with the same structure as NL which is why.

wow, how u add somebody to ignore list?

Aren't hypers looked at differently to regspeeds and turbos? They are also less complex games.

Ps

I'm also surprised people have not already added ponzi to their ignore lists or that they bother responding to him.

Mods need to ban this idiot already.

click poster's name -> view public profile -> copy number in URL e.g. 298141 for him

add this link to bookmarks http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/pr...gnore&u=298141 -> paste/replace the number for each new addition

I think it would be really interesting to see how recreational players use their FPPs.

Part of me thinks that they will overwhelmingly spend them on hats and shirts, while another part of me thinks they use a lot of them on tournament tickets.

Anyone noticed games are absolutely terrible ATM at 6max NL? Fish are few and far between, and I color coded more nits than the whole last month+. Is this normal for this time of year (I don't remember it being this way) or are nits putting in more hours compensating for loss of VPP's?

FYP.

I'm a recreational player and I dont use mine for months at a time until I have enough to play a decent session of Sunday Storm FPP hyper sats on a Sunday afternoon.

Two friends of mine save theirs to buy tshirts and other crap in the store which they sell on ebay. Seems wasteful to me but they are both regular ebay'ers so think they know best.

Maybe its the lack of dumbass in my dna but, as a small time recreational player myself, I find it hard to believe that any player who plays enough to earn a reasonably significant (in their eyes) amount of FPPs, goes and wastes them on shirts, sunglasses, keyrings or a shark teddy bear.

+1 to this. Well put and generally is the opinion of most respected poster on here.

Sent them an email because of the ban 18h ago and they don't even bother to reply.
All I wanted to know was for how long I could only play 1 table.
Seriously I'm done with this people. I'll take my money and play somewhere else.
I wish the people who fights the cause the best luck in the world but at this time our efforts are completely useless.

I will be forever angry at stars because of their greed, however it were 6 good/fun years. I'll always miss the old stars.

gl everyone.

Come on. Sharky was the item out of the store, teh nutz.

here you go

Pokerstars Steve - As a person who has followed both threads from page 1 and playing on your site for years I can say yes, I was disappointed with the changes not having anything to balance them off but the fact that you tried (even tho it was cancelled) and now meeting players deserves alot of respect and shows you are aware that this needs tweaking and listenning to players. I understand the need for NDAs and that sort of thing.

To all others, I think the community has spoken and representatives chosen will represent us very well. Yes, we still didn't get some answers (such as what is the problem with just doing x6-6.5 and getting it over with) but I think we have something to look forward to and anything that can be said has already been said.

To everyone that got banned, I guess you knew this could happen, this is out of everyone's reach now. Let's be optimistic towards the meeting and hope stars will fix this and play their cards right as they've always done before.

They reduced me to one cash game but I'm playing SnGs and MTTs business as usual.