I am already weighing my options for other sites to play than stars. They're already raking in the cash. They're like the UFC of poker, no other true competition. So why screw with the players/fighters. You can make a ton of money without making these changes.

Oh well, the game will go on whether it's on stars or not for me.

change multiplier from 5.5 to 6 ffs!

look, they cant make everyone happy, before the sh grinders were mad, you guys were happy and now it has switched again. IM NOT GONNA PAY MORE RAKE PLAYING 5HANDED

OMG!

You really are a tool. Why am i a "fish" for suggesting this. So you really think its good for poker that almost everyone folds every hand except for monsters. This system rewards that style of play and thats the whole damn problem. Its a floored system end of story. You really are not reading what I am saying are you. The new WC system due for 2012 needs tweeking in the right places to make sure your average 4-6 tabling reg is NOT penalised by what is seen as a "cash grab". The system need to take the emphasis away from rewarding folding every hand except monsters ( as you put it) and re distribute the rewards to the recreational type player. NOT at the expense of your average reg. As it stands this is the problem that Stars need to address.

For too long rewards have been given for playing 24 tables 12 hours a day. Playing 3m 25c/50c hands and folding almost 2.9m of them in a year and picking up rewards simply based on volume. This my friend is what has been spoiling the games over these past few years. More and more people have realised that the way forward on Stars is to actually play this way and take advantage of a flawed system.

Time for that to stop and if you cant adapt then im afraid thats your problem.

Hopefully it will get rid of the multi-tablers. It's so annoying that you can't find some tables wthout certain players(who are on them all).

+ ****ing 1

Yeah? Thank you, great decision gtfo.

What happened to the player panel that Stars had?

Oh, and,

The 6maxers are very very wrong about their rake cap malarky. The rake for 2, 3, 4 and (effectively) 6 handed have been reduced and a very small number of pots when playing 5 handed will be raked more. If you are being raked more on 25-30% (actually its only 5 handed and > ~$44 so prob like 5% of hands) of your hands and less on the other 75% (more accurately like 95%) guess what that means?

I honestly believe that it would have been a considerable rake reduction for many. I'm also pissed that the micros rake reduction is not going to be cancelled, something that can only be good for the games.

Do you really think Stars would have been so quick to cancel the changes in rake if they were really rake increases?

WC is fine, dealt sucks.

You get rakeback on the rake YOU pay.

For SNG players it's been like this since before Jesus was born.

eeh. why can't they? of course they can!
they just don't want to and want to earn more money.

and they really should make me happy... otherwise i'm gone.

+1

everyone move to cake still dealt

Me too

If multitabling is not compensed on stars i can play less tables in small sites with worse regs, better rakeback and more fishes. Why 2 stay?

nice strategy steve+stars [ ]

partypoker did the exact same thing when they changed to WC, they made max rake higher over a certain limit....then when the inevitable ****storm started party said "oooo we listen so what we gunna do iz just change to WC ONLY now..so no change to teh max rake"

gfy


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loller and people do this:

Excellent post.

Why does it even need to be a trade off? Stars has the ability and can make everyone reasonably happy considering the circumstances. There is no need to piss off one group to fix another group's problems.

6max changes: Losing VPPs, Rake increase 5 handed, Rake decrease in other hands <-- terrible deal
FR changes: Losing VPPs, Rake decrease <-- not a bad deal

How is fixing it like this:
6max: Losing VPPs <--bad deal
FR: Losing VPPs <-- bad deal

better than fixing it like this:
6max: Losing VPPs, Rake increase 5 handed, Rake decrease <-- not a bad a deal
FR: Losing VPPs, Rake decrease <-- not a bad a deal

???

This one ****ing 5 handed glitch in the rake changes is going to sabotage everything we're trying to retain here for the reg pool as a whole.

Nice strat Stars: Divide and Conquer. gg if you stick with this new ****ed up decision.

am I missing something or do the changes just mean TAGs earn less money and LAGs earn more?

No, they don't.

Stars player panel:

3 rando PS pros

Steve: What you guys think of the changes?

Nanonoko: Looks good to me - doesn't effect my rakeback

VWahlbeck: looks good doesnt hurt 25-50 plo

Isildur: Can you lend me another mill steve?

Thats correct. But as it stands 6 max cash game regs also stand to lose out with the 24 tabling "nits". This is the whole problem. The multipliers need adjusting upwards so that the re-distribution of the money is actually done in a fair manner. As it stands the "nits" lose a lot, the regs lose a bit and the people who they claim to be helping (the recreational losers) actually only gain a small amount. Stars are currently the big winners. Flawed system replaced by another flawed system to the detriment of the general poker community.

^ lol A*

Winning and losing---long-term, not an individual pot. An annual winner, a LAG, gets slightly better VPPs/FPPs than before but now pays so much more rake that he is a net loser to WC. A long-term losing LAG is the only net rakeback winner to WC but still loses overall. Unless there is a terrific inflow of whales/fish, regs as a group will lose to WC. Individuals can still win of course, even more than before. But the hurdles we must all jump over have just been raised.

Yes - TAGs earn far less, LAGs earn less, fish earn a little more and Stars earn a good deal more.

JH1 bossing thread, only person making sense.

Do stars earn more because 24 tables nits are less likely to make SNE and less rewards are paid out, yeah?