Yeah reality is rediculous sometimes.

This a joke. This is rediculous having a debate with people who blaintantly ignore whats right. Thats why I think most of you are working for the sites. Theres just no reason to go out of your way to protect someone of such obvious wrong doing if you are a player.

You know Ive recieved 7 private messages now from people thanking me for sticking up to you guys. Im sure they got frustrated getting ganged up on by a group of people whose only motivation is to tear down anyone who debates this issue. Yiu cant even do with a alittle repcect for others peoples opinions and thats a joke also

Sigh. Look, anyone who spends more than five minutes around here quickly learns who Josem/Michael J are. If he had just one account, wouldn't you always wonder whether what he wrote represents Stars' view or not? Do you think he should always be on the clock? Should your every statement represent your employer? I may be stupid, but its not for this argument.

Re: reading the thread: fine, its long. Don't read the whole thing, read the last quarter. All these arguments have been brought up again and again. You, like most rigtards, focus primarily on motive, and little on execution. The question is not whether the sites would rig the RNG if they could get away with it, the question is "how could they get away with it?" It's very easy to just throw out that they have genius programers with magical, undetectable ways of manipulating the deal, but that's not a valid argument. Why don't you ask your MIT buddy how possible it would be to rig in an undetectable manner that would also result in increased rake for the site?

Does Obama get to clock out and say what his real views are on America. No. They should all be the same thus having no reason to not be completely upfront about who you are at all times. This is a rediculous point of view you have.

Ok, now I'm really thinking you are a gimmick? This is Monteroy right?

Ur the gimmick/joke sir. try answering any of my questions sometime. An actual answer not just some 2 sentence donkbet ducking the content of my questions

I think he is old_moose lol.

I think you're a child

Ok moose, relax.

All i see is you in this forum conducting yourself like some high schooler. The derrogitory way you talk to people is rediculous. You are nobody in life sir and you know it. So why go around this forum talking like your some big shot. You make it obvious how insecure you must be

Some of the "shills" like to have some fun and pretend to be rigtards and post ridiculous arguments and get the rest of us to argue with them. It's often hard to tell a real rigtard from a gimmick.

Ok, do you really think that the office of the presidency of the US is a good analogy for ANY other type of employment? I don't know if you work at all but if you do and are employed by someone should EVERY thing you say be taken to represent the views of the employer?

C'mon dude, you want to be taken seriously then make serious arguments. Drop the "you guys are all paid by the pokersites" line and start looking at what they are really saying. Have you spent ANY time on Spadebidder's site? Do you understand what his results are saying? Have you made ANY kind of systematic study of your handhistories to even try and determine whether there are statistical anomalies? Do you understand why people talk about sample size, and variance?

You want to be taken seriously, then start acting like a serious person. Back up your bluster with facts. Then maybe those 7 people can have a real reason to thank you. Heck, if you uncover actual rigging going on, we'll all have a real reason to thank you.

This message is hidden because Sn8keChaRmer is on your ignore list.

In a poker forum inside a thread about site integrity. Hell Yes! Hell Yes someone who works for the site is on the clock at all times when they post in this thread. If you can't understand then you are ******ed sir.

I mean wtf. The guy works in the security department. Do you not think his opinion is affected by his business interests? How can this not be relavent to other people when they read his opinions on the matter. Have you ever seen a debate. Do they not announce where all parties are from before? You can honestly be this blind. Who are you and who are you working for?

Let's just assume that I am for the moment. Please explain (also nice how you ignored the rest of my post).

How else can we gather facts. These people operate behind closed doors. When was the last time you saw a person psot a graph where there profit = the ev. All the good players constantly complain about running under Ev. You have people posting videos of rediculous all day. The whole logic behind what Im saying couldnt make more sense. PokerStars isnt going to let us hire our own team to conduct analysis inside their workings so what can we do? What else do the players have to do to blow the horn. Its not like these multi million dollar companies are stupid. Theyve setup a nice curtain of invincibility.

And I didnt make it through your whole post because the you keep saying the same irrational response defending this employee

You're all over the place here. Of course his background is relevant, which is why he made sure that you knew what his background was. The issue we are discussing here is whether he should have two accounts: one for official business, one for his personal opinions. You have provided no arguments for why that is not a good idea.

There is no curtain of invincibility: the handhistories are out there and available. That is how cheating will be detected - not by you, of course, but by those who actually take this stuff seriously.

My post went well beyond that, try reading it.

How can you be apart of the security team and have two seperate opions. LmskinnyAO. Dont his opions directly affect how things are done on their end? Doesnt this equal one account for posting a biased opinion? I mean its not like the guy is going out for beers after work and wanting to talk about football. He is in a thread that is discussing matters directly related to his job. What is not perfectly obvious about that? I feel like Im talking to people that are just trying to annoy me.

Its this kind of basic breakdown of ethics that Im talking about. This is a member of the security team that is blind to such a basic concept of ethics. Im not supposed to think it doesnt extend further?

First of all, it's spelt ridiculous.

As to your ridiculous claim that most people here are working for the sites, am I to take your lack of response to my post I've requoted below to mean you've withdrawn that accusation against Spadebidder?

Because I noticed you've conveniently not said another word about it since.

Actually, I'm pretty sure this would be up between Josem and his employer. If they don't want him posting his own views in this thread, then they'd have to make that part of the terms of his employment. And if Josem wants to post his own views that are not those of his employer, then it only makes sense that he would do so under a name that doesn't imply they are also the views of Poker Stars. I know if he (or anyone else) worked for my company, I sure wouldn't allow him to post whatever he liked in online forums while using my company name.

First...I was wrong..I did respond to your question and said he didnt post his screen names...I misread his post and didnt see the part where he said this is my screen name on all sites..My mistake..I make them

Secondly..You dont know anything about PokerStars policy relating to his views in this thread..When asked he said nothing about it so Ill take that as an answer. Alsi its not like hes an intern who doesnt make decisions at PokerStars.. Is he not like head of the security team or one of the heads. Doesnt he make policy thus his opions are based upon the policy hes come up with for the site. Where is the seperation you guys keep seeing.

Now I will admit when Im wrong. I have no problem with that. Show me Im wrong and Ill look at it objectively an admit to it of you;re right. BUUUUT I challenge you to do the same even if it means going against an opinon youve had for along time. Thats what having character is about.

Also I cant spell and am usually typing while doing many other things including 6 tabling. Not that I could spell otherwise. I suck at spelling get over it. Aslong as you can make out what Im trying to say then it should never be a problem and is a super childish way to try to discredit someones opinion especially in this day and age where we use acronyms to text all day. Im not the only one suffering from lack of perfect grammar practice

Sn8keChaRmer,

While this thread was only created some time after I started working for PokerStars, I was involved in discussing many of the issues in this forum for a long-time before I joined here. My views haven't substantially changed since that time, and I've never been asked by anyone at PokerStars to hold a particular view or make a particular post on this account.

Unfortunately, I think you have the cause and effect backwards: I was employed by PokerStars because of my posts and involvement in these issue. You mistakenly believe that I make posts because I work for PokerStars, when it is actually the reverse.

Given the randomness of a shuffle is an objective fact, I don't think that the personalities involved are particular important. I think it is much more important to focus on the facts.

This isn't an issue of opinion; it is an issue of fact. In discussions of fact, only facts should matter.

I thought I've responded to all your questions. Can you please repost the one that I've evidently missed?

Wait lmao. So they employed you based upon your ability to debate in their favor? I think thats what you just said correct?

And I asked you why you have two accounts and you answered because that is the 2+2 rule. You didnt answer why you feel the need to use both especially when dealing with a topic that is directly realted to your job which you should always be representing PokerStars with your PS name. You didnt answer your reasoning for constantly swirtching and I assumed it had nothing to do with Pstars policy because you didnt give that reason. Thats was my point to BoBo. With that said do you not feel like you are representing the site when you post in a thread about site integrity that is often pointed directly at Stars and the depratment you work for.

Secondly to BoBo Fett.

Strange how SpadeBidder went out of his way to ask OPR to hide his results. He shows one game on Stars that for some reason doesnt show up in the tournament results. He does have some cash results on FTP but zero on PokerStars. But he so admitly defends this site he never plays poker on.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

Kinda odd huh?

No, what I said was:
I've been participating in these threads well before I joined PS. I guess I sorta became prominent in the online poker community as a result.

I don't think I should always be representing PokerStars.

I'm not "constantly" switching.

I use this 99.9% of the time, and only even login to the other when there's something relevant.

No, I don't. Most of the issues are not pointed directly at Stars.

Well sir without going back and forth and getting upset Id like to respectfully disagree. You arent a constant representative of Poker Stars at all times in your life but when in a thread directly related to your job then you are. Poker Stars is the biggest site out there its very logical that most of the complaints that come through here are directed at Pstars. Just basic common sense there. That makes you at the helm of it all. Say you were apart of a government and you were head of a section. Lets say National Security. At anytime when you are discussing the topic of National Security you are a representative of the governement. That is your job. The topic is job related and your opinion has unique insight from the job you hold. Therefor at all times you should be posting under your PStars Name so its very clear to any new poster that enters this thread that your opinions are coming from a unique vantage point. Posting in the way you do often lets you post diguised to people new to this thread that dont know about your legendary status. Basic ethics.

When someone new comes in here and posts and then you respnd to them without them knowing that you are a pokerStars employee working for the dpeartment that they are addressing then you arent giving them the proper facts they need to take your opinion for what its worth.

If you are attached to this name so much that you cant give it up then you should leave a disclosure after every post in this thread explaining who you are.

Snake,

Forget about the two accounts stuff - it's beyond your scope of comprehension. Instead, let's get on to the important stuff. Please make an hour long (or so) video of you playing 4-6 tables of your usual games for analysis. You said you would do this, so please do so. Thanks.