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02-14-2010 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
Snake,

Forget about the two accounts stuff - it's beyond your scope of comprehension. Instead, let's get on to the important stuff. Please make an hour long (or so) video of you playing 4-6 tables of your usual games for analysis. You said you would do this, so please do so. Thanks.
I will gladly do this and allow josem or any of team pokerStars to view it and tell me where Im making mistakes. Or anyone who would like to interact with me with alittle respect. A poker players game is personal and private and you just made me recognize how little I would want to share that with all the disrepectful people here that talk to me with no respect for my opinions. Which isnt fair because Im basically taking critisim and responding to it from 10 people who have been flaming me for 20 pages. thats not easy
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02-14-2010 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
I will gladly do this and allow josem or any of team pokerStars to view it and tell me where Im making mistakes.
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Originally Posted by Josem
Why would I want to criticise your play? That's entirely irrelevant to the issue here: whether you are a good player or a bad player has no relationship to the randomness and fairness of an online card shuffling mechanism.
Can you please stop saying that I'd want to criticise your play, when I've said I don't have the least bit of interest in doing that? I don't really want to watch a video of you playing at all, let alone commentate on it.
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02-14-2010 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Can you please stop saying that I'd want to criticise your play, when I've said I don't have the least bit of interest in doing that? I don't really want to watch a video of you playing at all, let alone commentate on it.
How about one of your team pros. I mean hey look. I recieved a letter from Larry on your team that told me I should be spending more time in the strategy forums then complaining about all the beats. But I say there isnt anywhere in this forum that teaches me how to avoid losing an overwhelming majortiy of all ins where Im big favorite.

With said Im a winning player howver little that may be anymore. My skills although nothing crazy special are backed up by many tournament wins in low stakes and Ive provided all my nics for that to be proven. So if its me and not you then how about having one of your pros analyze a few sessions of mine and explain to me where my faults are that keep me from winning more often or at a higher rate. Seems fair right? If I do these sessions where I feel like Im playing against a rigged deck and they can go through it and show where its my fault then we can post that commentary here on 2+2 and then everything Im claiming can be proved wrong. If they cant find anything substantial then it proves that simply playing good isnt enough to win. In that case you arent providing a skill game. Atleast not the amount of skill that should be a factor.

Last edited by Sn8keChaRmer; 02-14-2010 at 06:10 AM.
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02-14-2010 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
How about one of your team pros. I mean hey look. I recieved a letter from Larry on your team that told me I should be spending more time in the strategy forums then complaining about all the beats. But I say there isnt anywhere in this forum that teaches me how to avoid losing an overwhelming majortiy of all ins where Im big favorite.

With said Im a winning player howver little that may be anymore. My skills although nothing crazy special are backed up by many tournament wins in low stakes and Ive provided all my nics for that to be proven. So if its me and not you then how about having one of your pros analyze a few sessions of mine and explain to me where my faults are that keep me from winning more often or at a higher rate. Seems fair right? If I do these sessions where I feel like Im playing against a rigged deck and they can go through it and show where its my fault then we can post that commentary here on 2+2 and then everything Im claiming can be proved wrong. If they cant find anything substantial then it proves that simply playing good isnt enough to win. In that case you arent providing a skill game.
So let me get this straight.

You slander the name of this business to anyone who will listen, without any solid evidence whatsoever and then you have the nerve to ask them to go above and beyond to help you out, by getting their pros to analyse your game?

This is beyond a joke
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02-14-2010 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by arcticbeatle
So let me get this straight.

You slander the name of this business to anyone who will listen, without any solid evidence whatsoever and then you have the nerve to ask them to go above and beyond to help you out, by getting their pros to analyse your game?

This is beyond a joke
I know that it offends some of the more tender souls here when people are insulted but, really, this Sn8keChaRmer is beyond idiotic.

He's a complete scumbag and deserves to be roundly insulted by anyone and everyone.

It's cretins like he, who continually spout nonsense, that mean more thoughtful posters who may just need some gentle reassurance are sometimes treated with less respect than they should be - it's a kind of shell shock.


Edit: On the plus side, it does make you appreciate tk1133.
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02-14-2010 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by arcticbeatle
So let me get this straight.

You slander the name of this business to anyone who will listen, without any solid evidence whatsoever and then you have the nerve to ask them to go above and beyond to help you out, by getting their pros to analyse your game?

This is beyond a joke
You all slander me and everyone else on this side of the opinion. It goes both ways. And Im obviously not asking for help on my game. I obviously think Im playing good. Im asking them to point out why its me and not the rng. Someone from there department has expressed that he thinks its my game. And many people in here have said its rigtards complaining because they suck and what not. Im simply saying show me. Show me how you would have done things differently in order to win. I obviously dont think they will be able to show anything substantial enough to support the accusation that its my game and all these other good players games that are the problem. I think I made this very clear.

If it me and not you then prove it Stars. You have a whole team of seasoned pros that should be able to take apart my game and show that Im a weak player if its true. I challenge you to do it. Doesnt take but a few hours time out of highly paid spnosored pro's life. I dare you. Dont think there is anything rediculous about this small request.
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02-14-2010 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
I know that it offends some of the more tender souls here when people are insulted but, really, this Sn8keChaRmer is beyond idiotic.

He's a complete scumbag and deserves to be roundly insulted by anyone and everyone.

It's cretins like he, who continually spout nonsense, that mean more thoughtful posters who may just need some gentle reassurance are sometimes treated with less respect than they should be - it's a kind of shell shock.


Edit: On the plus side, it does make you appreciate tk1133.
Scumbag lol? really?

Was the guy a scumbag who got on here and complained because a player on UB was playing like he knew what his opponent had. Im sure people responded and told him he was just a donk ans sucked at poker. How did that end?
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02-14-2010 , 06:34 AM
Sn8keChaRmer: Sorry bro, but your posts are soo ****ed up.. on soo many levels. You sound like a guy who wants to blame his dog for what the cat did wrong.

Look, the first thing you have to understand is that the MAJORITY of people who play poker, lose at poker. From the smallest home games to the biggest online high stakes tables, the game is one of skill AND luck. Nobody is immune to bad losing streaks. Nobody! Smart people will try to get better. The dumb ones just blame their losing on everything but themselves.

Why should PokerStars, or anyone who works for PS, help YOU with your game? LOL Because it's the ethical thing to do? LOL Because you think it's rigged and they should prove otherwise? WHAT?! Did anyone force you to deposit and play on PS? NO! What do they owe you and why??! Seriously.

If you're going to continue posting such nonsense (and are expecting respect), then you should stick to arguments that you can handle. If I were you, I'd give up on this thread and work on your game.

Good luck with that.
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02-14-2010 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
Sn8keChaRmer: Sorry bro, but your posts are soo ****ed up.. on soo many levels. You sound like a guy who wants to blame his dog for what the cat did wrong.

Look, the first thing you have to understand is that the MAJORITY of people who play poker, lose at poker. From the smallest home games to the biggest online high stakes tables, the game is one of skill AND luck. Nobody is immune to bad losing streaks. Nobody! Smart people will try to get better. The dumb ones just blame their losing on everything but themselves.

Why should PokerStars, or anyone who works for PS, help YOU with your game? LOL Because it's the ethical thing to do? LOL Because you think it's rigged and they should prove otherwise? WHAT?! Did anyone force you to deposit and play on PS? NO! What do they owe you and why??! Seriously.

If you're going to continue posting such nonsense (and are expecting respect), then you should stick to arguments that you can handle. If I were you, I'd give up on this thread and work on your game.

Good luck with that.
Once again MORON. Im not asking for help on my game. Im asking them to prove why its my game and not the RNG. I have a deuces cracked membership if I want instruction. Im still waiting for you to say anything that makes any kind of sense or adresses anything that Ive said in the context in which Ive stated it. MORON
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02-14-2010 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Scumbag lol? really?
yes, really.

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Was the guy a scumbag who got on here and complained because a player on UB was playing like he knew what his opponent had. Im sure people responded and told him he was just a donk ans sucked at poker. How did that end?
Yes, he was initially ridiculed (mainly because up until that point all we had had were a never ending stream of idiots such as yourself blowing hard without any evidence).

However, as soon as it became clear that there was Evidence the miscreants were quickly exposed.

Compare and contrast to yourself and the plethora of other nitwits who pop up every few days making the same lame assertions without Evidence. You are just scumbag slanderers who are happy to accuse people of criminal activities without any Evidence.
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02-14-2010 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Also I cant spell and am usually typing while doing many other things including 6 tabling. Not that I could spell otherwise. I suck at spelling get over it. Aslong as you can make out what Im trying to say then it should never be a problem and is a super childish way to try to discredit someones opinion especially in this day and age where we use acronyms to text all day. Im not the only one suffering from lack of perfect grammar practice
It was hardly used to discredit your opinion. I could sit around and pick your posts apart for grammar and spelling, but I think we both have better things to do. You've made that same mistake about 20 times, and it's an easy thing for you to correct, so I let you know about it. I know I enjoy learning new things here, as I do all the time; I thought you might as well.
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02-14-2010 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Once again MORON. Im not asking for help on my game. Im asking them to prove why its my game and not the RNG. I have a deuces cracked membership if I want instruction. Im still waiting for you to say anything that makes any kind of sense or adresses anything that Ive said in the context in which Ive stated it. MORON
You have it the wrong way around.

PS are perfectly happy with the status quo.

You seem to be unhappy so it's up to YOU to prove that something is amiss.

What you are doing is the equivalent of your neighbour having his car stolen and then DEMANDING that you prove you had nothing to do with its theft. Absurd behaviour.
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02-14-2010 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
yes, really.



Yes, he was initially ridiculed (mainly because up until that point all we had had were a never ending stream of idiots such as yourself blowing hard without any evidence).

However, as soon as it became clear that there was Evidence the miscreants were quickly exposed.

Compare and contrast to yourself and the plethora of other nitwits who pop up every few days making the same lame assertions without Evidence. You are just scumbag slanderers who are happy to accuse people of criminal activities without any Evidence.
MORON so what you're saying is we are all scumbags until we find evidence. That until we slay goliath who has a gazillion dollars more to work with then we are all scumbags. And these people that accused UB before the evidence came out becuase they had a gut feeling were scumbags. But now they arent because they proved it. So anyone who wants to accuse a multi million dollar comany is a scumbag until they can prove it. ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOURSELF MORON?
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02-14-2010 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
It was hardly used to discredit your opinion. I could sit around and pick your posts apart for grammar and spelling, but I think we both have better things to do. You've made that same mistake about 20 times, and it's an easy thing for you to correct, so I let you know about it. I know I enjoy learning new things here, as I do all the time; I thought you might as well.
I am gramaticly ******ed. Is this ok if I admit it? Is there anything else that needs to be said on your part on this subject?
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02-14-2010 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
MORON so what you're saying is we are all scumbags until we find evidence.
No, you are scumbags for libeling people when you have no evidence.

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And these people that accused UB before the evidence came out becuase they had a gut feeling were scumbags. But now they arent because they proved it. So anyone who wants to accuse a multi million dollar comany is a scumbag until they can prove it.
Why is it so hard for you to understand the simple concept that asserting someone is indulging in criminal behaviour without evidence is a reprehensible way to behave.

The world would descend into chaos if every cretinous idiot who had a hunch about something could, with no evidence whatsoever, demand that people prove their innocence.

Tell you what, I've just decided that from the way you post you spend a lot of your time trying to get little children to have sex with you. Now, before we continue with relatively trivial matters of poker how about you PROVE that I'm wrong?
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02-14-2010 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
I am gramaticly ******ed.
The word 'gramaticly' is not needed for the above to be an accurate admission.
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02-14-2010 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
No, you are scumbags for libeling people when you have no evidence.



Why is it so hard for you to understand the simple concept that asserting someone is indulging in criminal behaviour without evidence is a reprehensible way to behave.

The world would descend into chaos if every cretinous idiot who had a hunch about something could, with no evidence whatsoever, demand that people prove their innocence.

Tell you what, I've just decided that from the way you post you spend a lot of your time trying to get little children to have sex with you. Now, before we continue with relatively trivial matters of poker how about you PROVE that I'm wrong?
Can you prove that they havent tweaked the rng? If you cant prove this does that make you a scumbag for supporting them without actual proof? If not does that make you a hypocrit. If so are you ok with that?

does that hurt your brain MORON?
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02-14-2010 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
The word 'gramaticly' is not needed for the above to be an accurate admission.
Lol
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02-14-2010 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
I am gramaticly ******ed. Is this ok if I admit it? Is there anything else that needs to be said on your part on this subject?
I didn't/don't really care about your overall grammar issues. You seemed to think I was trying to humiliate you, and I was explaining that I wasn't.

Feel free to have the last word on the matter now if it's important to you.
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02-14-2010 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
MORON so what you're saying is we are all scumbags until we find evidence. That until we slay goliath who has a gazillion dollars more to work with then we are all scumbags. And these people that accused UB before the evidence came out becuase they had a gut feeling were scumbags. But now they arent because they proved it. So anyone who wants to accuse a multi million dollar comany is a scumbag until they can prove it. ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOURSELF MORON?
Sigh. Once those players had an inkling something was wrong at UB what did they do next?
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02-14-2010 , 07:04 AM
You can't argue with stupid people. Sn8keChaRmer is proof.

Give up already bro. You're losing a losing fight. You cannot prove ANYTHING you've said. You only make accusations.. and they're as bad as your grammar.


Can I get a "You're a muppet!" please?

(When you get around to it NFuego2O)
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02-14-2010 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Can you prove that they havent tweaked the rng?
No.

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If you cant prove this does that make you a scumbag for supporting them without actual proof?
No, because I'm not asserting that they definitely have not rigged the RNG. All I'm saying is that there are a lot of people looking and there is currently no evidence that they are.

Can you understand the difference?

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If not does that make you a hypocrit.
No, for the reasons explained above.


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does that hurt your brain MORON?
Unlike yours, my brain does not hurt when I think.
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02-14-2010 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
You can't argue with stupid people. Sn8keChaRmer is proof.
As a wise man once said: Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.
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02-14-2010 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Sigh. Once those players had an inkling something was wrong at UB what did they do next?
If Im right they exposed this by showing players with insane winrates correct?

This is an issure I believe where the RNG has been tweaked. The evidence of this from my point of view is when you see cash players graphs that show that line of there actual winnings campares to the EV. So I see that the good players are winning less than should be expected over huge samples. What Id like to see is the consistant losing players graphs where I bet you would see and EV line under there actual wins instead of over. I dont think that anyone would argue that using the rng to close the gap between good and bad players would generate a more substainable player base for the sites. The question is whether or not they are actually doing it. Im not the only one who believes the rng is totally screwed im just the only one arguing right now against the entire pool of devoted site supporters. How else can I prove it. Go to the forums where they post graphs. Why is almost every player winning way under the EV? WHy are so many people complaining of so many beats. HOW IN THE HELL DID I LOSE 7 STRIGHT ALL IN RACES WITH AN OVERPAIR TO AN UNDERPAIR. ITS 1 in 72,500 lol. Im not computer genius. Im dont know how to analyze everything. I think Im going to look into it now. I have a cousin at MIT who Im going to consult about this tomorrow. Im sure him and his nerdy friends would love to do it.
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02-14-2010 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Can you prove that they havent tweaked the rng? If you cant prove this does that make you a scumbag for supporting them without actual proof? If not does that make you a hypocrit. If so are you ok with that?

does that hurt your brain MORON?
I'm actually going to do it. Gonna put somebody on ignore. LOL I don't think I've every seen a more long winded idiot who is absolutely impossible to reason with even in the slightest way.
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